same-sex wedding across street from baptist church

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
immutable means that which cannot be changed, people do change their sexuality, that means that its not immutable, its very simple, as for your gay parade, i knew it was only a matter of time, what did you go as, an angel, leather clad gay biker, Julius Caesar?

You are correct, Bradley Manning will be changing his sexuality and people all round the world change from male to female and vice versa.

Now you acknowledged that gay men must be sexually attracted to other men, do you think that's something that is 'inbuilt' much like the way you are attracted to women?

As for the Pride March, i, like 99.9% of the rest of the people present, was wearing normal clothes.

Originally posted by sonship
A well reasoned and balanced video on Homosexual Marriage by Christian apologist Greg Koukle from [b] "Stand To Reason".

"Setting the Record Straight on Homosexual Marriage" -

First part - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXOu6hwt4jk

Second part - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-pKXJG01CyI

Q&A Session afterwards -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lVsblaJLHQM[/b]

How a professed Christian can support a stance which is designed to perpetuate a practice that is strictly condemned in scripture i cannot say, i suspect that its simply another instance of the word of God being pushed aside and supplanted with secularism.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
immutable means that which cannot be changed, people do change their sexuality, that means that its not immutable, its very simple, as for your gay parade, i knew it was only a matter of time, what did you go as, an angel, leather clad gay biker, Julius Caesar?

but you acknowledge not all people have a changeable sexuality, correct?

Originally posted by Proper Knob
You are correct, Bradley Manning will be changing his sexuality and people all round the world change from male to female and vice versa.

Now you acknowledged that gay men must be sexually attracted to other men, do you think that's something that is 'inbuilt' much like the way you are attracted to women?

As for the Pride March, i, like 99.9% of the rest of the people present, was wearing normal clothes.

that is changing gender, not their sexuality. Whether there is a predetermination or not is irrelevant, why? because it does not compel one to act in a particular way, so EVEN IF, there is an inbuilt mechanism in which one is predetermined to be attracted to a specific gender, it is not a causation for acting in a predetermined and specific way. The argument that you are therefore attempting is well known and void. Normal clothes? how banal, have you no sense of the occasion? You will do better next time I'm sure, get a leotard and some glittery eye shadow and you'll be good to go!

Originally posted by stellspalfie
but you acknowledge not all people have a changeable sexuality, correct?

No, all people have the capacity to engage in a particular sexual activity, thats why some people are bisexual, whether they do or do not is a matter of personal choice, are you denying that it is the case, no, i didn't think so.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
that is changing gender, not their sexuality. Whether there is a predetermination or not is irrelevant, why? because it does not compel one to act in a particular way, so EVEN IF, there is an inbuilt mechanism in which one is predetermined to be attracted to a specific gender, it is not a causation for acting in a predetermined and specific way. Th ...[text shortened]... clothes? how banal, have you no sense of the occasion? You will do better next time I'm sure.

Let's clear this up first, when you use the term 'sexuality', you are talking about peoples 'sexual preference' or as i called it 'sexual orientation'. Which particular sex a person is attracted to whether it be same sex, opposite sex or both.

Originally posted by Proper Knob
Let's clear this up first, when you use the term 'sexuality', you are talking about peoples 'sexual preference' or as i called it 'sexual orientation'. Which particular sex a person is attracted to whether it be same sex or opposite sex.

no its not as simple as that, there are persons who are bisexual, that is, they practice sexual activity with persons of both sexes, a persons sexuality is therefore defined by what they practice. For example some people have been heterosexual for the majority of their lives, perhaps even have families, but decide later in life to become homosexuals, thus their sexuality is defined by what they practice, its the same for so called reformed homosexuals, persons who have for one reason or another, given up the practice of homosexuality.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
I am not hateful of anyone, i don't have any issues, people who call others bigots and homophobes are simply haters themselves and hypocrites to boot. One look at your post can tell you that, you cannot handle anyone who opposes your morality, thats why you need to call others names, assign them mysterious psychological ailments and wish their eventual demise.

" people who call others bigots and homophobes are simply haters themselves and hypocrites to boot"

amazing logic there robbie. well done.

as for others morality you couldnt be further from the truth. i work with very challenging morality everyday without judging. your main problem is not your actual homophobia its the twisted logic you use to legitimize it. some of the logic you use strikes me as cruel and hateful.

and i dont recall ever wishing your demise.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
no its not as simple as that, there are persons who are bisexual, that is, they practice sexual activity with persons of both sexes, a persons sexuality is therefore defined by what they practice. For example some people have been heterosexual for the majority of their lives, perhaps even have families, but decide later in life to become homosexuals ...[text shortened]... homosexuals, persons who have for one reason or another, given up the practice of homosexuality.

Someone who is bisexual is 'attracted' to both sexes. I could, and so could you; in theory, have sex with a man. That doesn't mean i'm attracted to men, it doesn't mean i'm gay. I find women sexually attractive.

Take Gareth Thomas the rugby player. He knew he was attracted to men but got married, he says he wasn't sexually attracted to his wife. He loved her, but he was sexually attracted to men. He eventually 'came out'. Was he not gay until he had sex with a man?

What about the scenario i mentioned earlier in the thread, a person who is sexually attracted to women but never has sex? Or a man who is sexually attracted to men who never has sex?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
No, all people have the capacity to engage in a particular sexual activity, thats why some people are bisexual, whether they do or do not is a matter of personal choice, are you denying that it is the case, no, i didn't think so.

i cant deny or confirm because your choice of words is so ambiguous. i have almost no idea what you are actually saying.

are you saying we choose what gender to be sexually attracted to?

Originally posted by Proper Knob
Someone who is bisexual is 'attracted' to both sexes. I could, and so could you; in theory, have sex with a man. That doesn't mean i'm attracted to men, it doesn't mean i'm gay. I find women sexually attractive.

Take Gareth Thomas the rugby player. He knew he was attracted to men but got married, he says he wasn't sexually attracted to his wife. He lo ...[text shortened]... o women but never has sex? Or a man who is sexually attracted to men who never has sex?

"What about the scenario i mentioned earlier in the thread, a person who is sexually attracted to women but never has sex? Or a man who is sexually attracted to men who never has sex?"

using robbies logic no human male knows what sexuality they are until they have sex..........which begs the question - how did they know which sex to have sex with? and does this mean all virgins have no sexuality?? if so why did i spend my early teens masturbating over women, if i didnt know if i was gay or straight.

Originally posted by Proper Knob
Someone who is bisexual is 'attracted' to both sexes. I could, and so could you; in theory, have sex with a man. That doesn't mean i'm attracted to men, it doesn't mean i'm gay. I find women sexually attractive.

Take Gareth Thomas the rugby player. He knew he was attracted to men but got married, he says he wasn't sexually attracted to his wife. He lo o women but never has sex? Or a man who is sexually attracted to men who never has sex?

his sexuality is defined by what he practices, as I have explained, with reference, what he is attracted to is irrelevant, because predetermination is not the same as causation, his apparent attraction for men does not compel him to have sex with them anymore than your attraction to pretty girls compels you to have sex with them. The matter is therefore one of morality and there is no moral dilemma facing the practicing christian,for the Bible is quite clear on the matter, some who were previously practicing homosexuals gave up the practice when thy became Christians.

Originally posted by stellspalfie
[b]"What about the scenario i mentioned earlier in the thread, a person who is sexually attracted to women but never has sex? Or a man who is sexually attracted to men who never has sex?"

using robbies logic no human male knows what sexuality they are until they have sex..........which begs the question - how did they know which sex to have sex w ...[text shortened]... did i spend my early teens masturbating over women, if i didnt know if i was gay or straight.[/b]

been through it a zillion times, will not do so gain.

Originally posted by stellspalfie
[b]" people who call others bigots and homophobes are simply haters themselves and hypocrites to boot"

amazing logic there robbie. well done.

as for others morality you couldnt be further from the truth. i work with very challenging morality everyday without judging. your main problem is not your actual homophobia its the twisted logic you us ...[text shortened]... logic you use strikes me as cruel and hateful.

and i dont recall ever wishing your demise.[/b]

ther is nothing amazing about it, its a fact, the number if times the secular liberality has resorted to pseudo scientific terms is outstanding, look at Egbert or Tygbert or whatever he is called, if you do not accept his morality you are a bigot, how will you explain it in any other way than hate speech?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
his sexuality is defined by what he practices, as I have explained, with reference, what he is attracted to is irrelevant, because predetermination is not the same as causation, his apparent attraction for men does not cause him to have sex with them anymore than your attraction to pretty girls causes you to have sex with them.

so when gareth thomas was having sex with his wife but was thinking of david beckham you are telling us that you think he was heterosexual. hilarious.

sexuality is defined by what you are sexually attracted to not what you practice.

im currently not having sex with anybody, how do i figure out if im gay or straight???