Originally posted by ivanhoe
[b]ATY: " ... but will happily mock and insult Jews ... "

There is a name for people who will happily mock and insult Jews.

ATY: " ... and Muslims"

I know, but you do not want to be associated with such people either ..... I hope.[/b]

Originally posted by ivanhoe
You are constantly reasoning from an American point of view and taking the American situation as some sort of standard. We all live in the global village now and not everywhere Christians have a majority. In the Netherlands for instance (a former Christian country, now a secular liberal one) this is not the case. Please, broaden your horizon.

Originally posted by Moldy Crow
You hit pretty close to home , kirks . I later countered to jseg that I am responding to what's posted and put forward in the spirituality forum . The religious agruements , goading , taunting ,and debates here are predominantly about christianity . I can only fight the dog they put in the ring with me . But if we had radical chess playing muslim clerics ...[text shortened]... call out or insult the amish . I had little response so have stuck to mainstream xtians since .

Originally posted by DoctorScribbles
The topic pertains to "Western secular societies." I know of no Western secular society in which Christians are a minority and Jews and Muslims are not. Thus, I stand by my claim that Jews and Muslims are in practice the beneficiaries of special treatment due to their minority status, and Christians are not.

Originally posted by ivanhoe
Muslims are the beneficiaries of special treatment ?

Originally posted by DoctorScribbles
They are in the U.S.

For example, courtrooms in the U.S. do no allow men to wear hats.

Jews, however, are allowed to wear yamakas as a form of religious expression. I don't know if Muslims wear funny hats as well, but if they do, I imagine they are allowed in court.

A Christian, however, who wants to wear a baseball cap that says "Jesus Saves!" is not allowed to wear that hat in court.

Originally posted by Moldy Crow
However , Herr Doctor , the city of Detroit just won the right to require muslim women to remove their face veils for driver's liscence photos . So to take one case and apply it accross the board as a characterization of public policy would be inaccurate . The US laws are quite pyscizto in this regard .

Originally posted by DoctorScribbles
Let's check back on that one in a year and see if it doesn't get overturned.

Originally posted by ivanhoe
An upside-down-bird has to be careful both ways with pissing or peeing ..... know what I'm sayin'?

Originally posted by ivanhoe
No, I'm asking you.

Originally posted by Moldy Crow
So what is it I'm supposed to wake up to ?

Let's try an experiement. Which statement received more criticism for racial insensitivity? Jesse Jackson likening the evacuation of New Orleans to herding blacks on the slave ships or Bill Bennett suggesting that the crime rate would be lower if more black babies were aborted (though it would be reprehensible).

Originally posted by kirksey957
I consider goading to be a verbal exercise.

Originally posted by ivanhoe
... and does that verbal exercise include insults and verbal abuse ?