Originally posted by ivanhoeMy "advice" is directed towards you, specifically. If you so opt to ignore the point of my contention, such is your right. However, as a friend I will tell you that you do not help yourself or your cause by victimizing yourself and ignoring the cause for your fallacy.
Omnislash: "Grow some skin!!! "
I'll pass your advice to the Jewish people in France and the Muslims in the Netherlands and Germany.
This is an international site and people should become more aware of the situation in other countries. The world is bigger than just the United States.
It has nothing to do with the Jews in France, the Muslims in the Netherlands and Germany, and absolutely nothing to do with the general awareness of the users of this site about the situation in other countries. Any fool knows that the world is bigger than the US. None of this has anything to do with my post or your inability to cope with inflammatory remarks about your beliefs.
If you so opt to play thought police, make sure every one is playing PC and not offending anyone, let me assure you that your task will not only be futile and unrewarding, but it shall inevitably work to the converse of your goal. There are more constructive ways to deal with such problems, as such I think it a pity your intolerance prevents you from exploring them.
Best Regards,
Omnislash
Originally posted by NordlysI was referring to the extremely polarised political situation in the United States. It strangles and stifles decent political and philosophical exchange of thoughts. Unfortunately the political discourse in the United States has become a form of verbal trench warfare. Such a debate can never lead to anything that is worth considering.
I don't think this is typical American, rather typical human. And it's not just about Christians, the same thing happens with other groups. ALL evolutionists are atheists. ALL atheists believe there is no god. ALL atheists insult Christians... etc. Black-and-white thinking and generalizing are easier than differentiating.
Originally posted by OmnislashOmnislash: " ...... There are more constructive ways to deal with such problems "
My "advice" is directed towards you, specifically. If you so opt to ignore the point of my contention, such is your right. However, as a friend I will tell you that you do not help yourself or your cause by victimizing yourself and ignoring the cause for your fallacy.
It has nothing to do with the Jews in France, the Muslims in the Netherlands and Ge ...[text shortened]... think it a pity your intolerance prevents you from exploring them.
Best Regards,
Omnislash
Let's hear them.
Originally posted by OmnislashOmnislash: "It has nothing to do with the Jews in France, the Muslims in the Netherlands and Germany, and absolutely nothing to do with the general awareness of the users of this site about the situation in other countries."
My "advice" is directed towards you, specifically. If you so opt to ignore the point of my contention, such is your right. However, as a friend I will tell you that you do not help yourself or your cause by victimizing yourself and ignoring the cause for your fallacy.
It has nothing to do with the Jews in France, the Muslims in the Netherlands and Ge ...[text shortened]... think it a pity your intolerance prevents you from exploring them.
Best Regards,
Omnislash
I have to disagree. .... and please do not narrow the discussion into a discussion about me. Limiting the scope of the discussion and focusing on me is, in my view, not the way to address the thread's subject. If you want to understand what is happening you cannot approach this matter solely from an American point of view.
Originally posted by ivanhoeIt's not "discrimination" against all dogs to quarantine those which foam at the mouth . The dogs that remain in their own yards quietly are in no danger of euthenizing . It proper public health policy to quarantine the one's acting like they're mad , and properly euthenizing those proving to be so . Likewise , what you call discrimination in regards to religion sounds to me like it is a proper check on extremism , whether political , social or religious .
In the Netherlands the general athmosphere is one of trying to prevent Muslims to form their own schools, create their own broadcasting systems and political parties. This right is garantueed by the Dutch constitution, but they, the liberals from the left and the right, are trying to find ways to circumvent it.
Because these liberals do not want to "disc ...[text shortened]... Ali is one of them. She is a member of the liberal VVD, a former Muslim and a converted Liberal.
It is the mad , agressive religious extremists that I am in favor of quarantining , whether xtian , hebrew , or muslim . As I said , those wishing to remain quietly in their back yard are of no interest to me one way or the other .
Originally posted by RatXIf you ever want a piece of me , you know where I to find me kid .
Originally posted by Moldy Crow
[b]If I "preach" secular concepts to your kids , like the virtues of gay marrage , darwinist theories of evolution , and womens rights to choose to have abortions; will you be silent and let me speak my piece?
We will not be silent! We will vote in Bush and get your a$$es kick'd! Ok, more seriously - Christians ...[text shortened]... th pigeon-turd. And may your futile arguments haunt you to your grave... Amen.
Bring it on...[/b]
Originally posted by Moldy CrowIt is the mad , agressive religious extremists that I am in favor of quarantining , whether xtian , hebrew , or muslim . As I said , those wishing to remain quietly in their back yard are of no interest to me one way or the other .
It's not "discrimination" against all dogs to quarantine those which foam at the mouth . The dogs that remain in their own yards quietly are in no danger of euthenizing . It proper public health policy to quarantine the one's acting like they're mad , and properly euthenizing those proving to be so . Likewise , what you call discrimination in regards ...[text shortened]... ose wishing to remain quietly in their back yard are of no interest to me one way or the other .
It is the mad, aggressive anti-religious extremists that I am in favor
of quarantining, whether atheist or agnostic. As I said, those wishing
to remain quietly in their back yard are of no interest to me one way
or the other .
😉
Kelly
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Originally posted by Moldy CrowMoldy Crow: "It's not "discrimination" against all dogs to quarantine those which foam at the mouth ......... what you call discrimination in regards to religion sounds to me like it is a proper check on extremism , whether political , social or religious. "
It's not "discrimination" against all dogs to quarantine those which foam at the mouth . The dogs that remain in their own yards quietly are in no danger of euthenizing . It proper public health policy to quarantine the one's acting like they're mad , and properly euthenizing those proving to be so . Likewise , what you call discrimination in regards ...[text shortened]... ose wishing to remain quietly in their back yard are of no interest to me one way or the other .
I'm afraid these people do not restrict themselves to the dogs with "foam" on their mouths. In the Netherlands certain politicians are calling to abolish ALL religiously based education and ALL religiously based broadcasting organisations. On many internet debating site you can read many liberal calls to ban ALL religiously based political parties as well.
Moldy Crow: "It is the mad , agressive religious extremists that I am in favor of quarantining"
In the Netherlands the situation regarding the "War on Terror" and extremist Islamists is used by certain politicians to stifle ALL religiously based opposition against the liberal establishment.
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Originally posted by ivanhoeInteresting. We live in testing times for democracy and toleration. The UK experience is different. We are simultaneously enacting law to outlaw discrimination on the basis of religion and incitement to religious hatred while passing law to outlaw glorifying terrorism (a measure aimed at militant Muslim clerics)
In the Netherlands the general athmosphere is one of trying to prevent Muslims to form their own schools, create their own broadcasting systems and political parties. This right is garantueed by the Dutch constitution, but they, the liberals from the left and the right, are trying to find ways to circumvent it.
Because these liberals do not want to "disc ...[text shortened]... Ali is one of them. She is a member of the liberal VVD, a former Muslim and a converted Liberal.
The government continues to promote the foundation of religious schools (much to my disgust)
Originally posted by aardvarkhomeJust out of curiosity, why does the promotion of religious schools
Interesting. We live in testing times for democracy and toleration. The UK experience is different. We are simultaneously enacting law to outlaw discrimination on the basis of religion and incitement to religious hatred while passing law to outlaw glorifying terrorism (a measure aimed at militant Muslim clerics)
The government continues to promote the foundation of religious schools (much to my disgust)
disgust you?
Kelly
Originally posted by KellyJayIf a community has a secular school the religious parents are still able to excersise choice by opting to take their children to church. If a community has a religious school, non religious parents or adherents of other faiths have no choice; in most communities there is only one school and the choice to be faithless is denied.
Just out of curiosity, why does the promotion of religious schools
disgust you?
Kelly
In the UK the choice is further limmited by legal requirements that ALL schools hold a regular assembly of worship of 'broadly christian nature'
It is not the religion per se that disgust me but the restriction on freedom and choice.
There are now two religious schools in the UK where creationism is taught and evolution is not taught; this is in clear breach of the UK National Cirriculum yet nobody acts. FFS
Originally posted by aardvarkhomeI'm not sure I'd agree with this, more times than not, at least where
If a community has a secular school the religious parents are still able to excersise choice by opting to take their children to church. If a community has a religious school, non religious parents or adherents of other faiths have no choice; in most communities there is only one school and the choice to be faithless is denied.
In the UK the choice i ...[text shortened]... lution is not taught; this is in clear breach of the UK National Cirriculum yet nobody acts. FFS
I have lived there are normally both in a town or a city. The choice
is there to go to either, if any particular religion is building a school
where none exist before, what is the harm in that too? If there were
no schools in the area, the parents would simply send their kids to
where ever they are currently sending them when there was no
school in the area.
Kelly
Originally posted by RatXAnd that's what you came up with? I'm strangely disappointed.
May the hideous and ape-like Darwin ever be your guide. May the spirit of Freud's libido be within thee. May the love of the gentle gays always shine upon you. May your salary dwindle into the tax-coffers of your benedictal secular state. May you be saved from the sanctimonious charity of a religious group when you're senile and mouldy. May the unsettling pea ...[text shortened]... d be annointed with pigeon-turd. And may your futile arguments haunt you to your grave... Amen..
Originally posted by ivanhoeI don't believe you . Send a link showing me that their govt is trying to eliminate all religious schools .
Moldy Crow: "It's not "discrimination" against all dogs to quarantine those which foam at the mouth ......... what you call discrimination in regards to religion sounds to me like it is a proper check on extremism , whether political , social or religious. "
I'm afraid these people do not restrict themselves to the dogs with "foam" on their mouths ...[text shortened]... ertain politicians to stifle ALL religiously based opposition against the liberal establishment.
KellyJ - Let me ask you this , if America was predominantly muslim , and you as a christian had christian children attending these schools how would you feel about your tax dollars going to support schools in which islam was fostered ? For example , in your child's class , the pledge of allegiance was recited at the beginning of each day with the words "one nation , under Allah..." included in it . Instead of the ten commandments being posted in classes which the christian right has fought for , passages from the Koran were to be publicly displayed . Every day there would be interuptions in class so that children could kneel facing Mecca and calls to prayer were broadcast over the PA system . How would you feel about your kids in that environment daily ? Many of us who do not want our kids to be indoctrinated in the christian faith feel this is exactly the environment kids are subjected to . (And our tax dollars being spent to help proselitize your message is a bur under our saddles.)
I dare say that you would have a different view of separation of church and state in regard to public school systems if the shoe was on the other foot .
Yet you still act as if you have a greater right to speak against the secular and to reach into our sphere of influence . You act as if the secular amoung us have less right to be left alone , less right to speak out against incursions into our rights and private lives . You are the first to cry foul when you're chased back into your own yard .
BTW , let me ask you - Do you feel this is true , or should be the way of things ? That christians should have a greater voice and influence than the nonbelievers in society ?
Originally posted by Moldy CrowMoldy Crow: "I don't believe you . Send a link showing me that their govt is trying to eliminate all religious schools ."
I don't believe you . Send a link showing me that their govt is trying to eliminate all religious schools .
KellyJ - Let me ask you this , if America was predominantly muslim , and you as a christian had christian children attending these schools how would you feel about your tax dollars going to support schools in which islam was fostered ? For examp ...[text shortened]... s ? That christians should have a greater voice and influence than the nonbelievers in society ?
I don't believe this either. Please reread my posts. I didn't claim such a thing.