Originally posted by KellyJayhow can you have a choice, if its already decided?
I guess that is where true judgment comes into play, if you do really
have a choice to make, and you make it are you responsible for the
choice you did indeed make? Foreknowledge by God if it does not
affect you; make you do one thing over another thereby robbing you
of the true ability to choose, than you are left with what? The ability
to choose, and ...[text shortened]... t is based on solid ground will survive, that which is based
on falsehoods will crumble.
Kelly
the ability to choose one and only one answer, aint much of a choice.
Originally posted by frogstompI do not understand your question. You mean because there
how can you have a choice, if its already decided?
the ability to choose one and only one answer, aint much of a choice.
is only one choice (meaning Jesus) there really isn't a choice
to make, because there is only one right choice? Are you
speaking about choices like not stealing when you think you
can get away with it, and so on. Please frame your question
a little better. I'm not trying to insult you, I just want to
understand you.
Kelly
Originally posted by KellyJayI mean like in everything,, the next step we take,, the next book we read, or the next time we type a post in the forum,, as he's been depicted he knows thats whats going to happen. so how can any of that be a choice? If god already knows it we dont have any choice.
I do not understand your question. You mean because there
is only one choice (meaning Jesus) there really isn't a choice
to make, because there is only one right choice? Are you
speaking about choices like not stealing when you think you
can get away with it, and so on. Please frame your question
a little better. I'm not trying to insult you, I just want to
understand you.
Kelly
Originally posted by frogstompIf you do not have a choice how can you be judged? If you have
I mean like in everything,, the next step we take,, the next book we read, or the next time we type a post in the forum,, as he's been depicted he knows thats whats going to happen. so how can any of that be a choice? If god already knows it we dont have any choice.
a choice you will be, can God give us the ability to make choices or
not? If He can than all choices matter, if you are correct than I agree
with you, we are in a play playing our parts. I believe our choices
matter, because we can do what is right or wrong. We can come to
God for our needs or avoid Him.
Kelly
Originally posted by KellyJayOh, I don't think it's that hard to have a child. The population is booming! Look around! Everyone is doing it! Somebody must be popping out the screaming little infants running amok in our restaurants and stores. Life creation has never been more popular, or easier. Sure, some couples aren't able to have children, but you said that nobody but God could create life. So what if the medium is different (sperm and egg vs. dirt)?
I know couples that want children and don't have them, it isn't
like you just say you want a child and get one. You don't have
that power! I recall a story (fictional) where some scientists were
debating God saying they did not need him anymore there was
not anything that God could do they couldn’t do. God said simply
took some dirt and created life ...[text shortened]... man. Which is
why I think abortion is wrong. Conception like you say starts
something.
Kelly
So let's look in the dictionary:
Main Entry: 1cre·ate
Pronunciation: krE-'At, 'krE-"
Function: verb
Inflected Form(s): cre·at·ed; cre·at·ing
Etymology: Middle English, from Latin creatus, past participle of creare; akin to Latin crescere to grow -- more at CRESCENT
transitive senses
1 : to bring into existence <God created the heaven and the earth -- Gen 1:1 (Authorized Version)>
Definition 1 mentions God - I'm sure that makes you happy. However, it also applies to anyone who 'brings into existence', i.e., parents. Ever heard a couple say "We stopped having children after the second one." ? What does that mean? It means they control exactly how many lives they want to bring into existence. Control indicates the power to create, or not to create.
And you're still saying only God kills? Ok, last resort:
Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary
Main Entry: 1kill
Pronunciation: 'kil
Function: verb
Etymology: Middle English, perhaps from (assumed) Old English cyllan; akin to Old English cwellan to kill -- more at QUELL
transitive senses
1 a : to deprive of life b (1) : to slaughter (as a hog) for food (2) : to convert a food animal into (a kind of meat) by slaughtering
See? Anyone who has so much as slaughtered an animal has killed. That means practically all of us have killed before.
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We seem to have gotten off topic: I have a question about the "Sickening Bible Story" concerning the "Battle of Jericho" (massacre would be more apt). Joshua 6:21
21 And they utterly destroyed all that was in the city, both man and woman, both young and old, and ox, and sheep, and ass, with the edge of the sword.
Now we've been told it was alright to slaughter women and children because they were "evil" but why they'd have to slaughter the "ox, and sheep, and ass" right there in Jericho? Were they too "evil" to own as beasts of burden? Any ideas from the Bible thumpers?
Originally posted by no1marauder
Now we've been told it was alright to slaughter women and children because they were "evil" but why they'd have to slaughter the "ox, and sheep, and ass" right there in Jericho? Were they too "evil" to own as beasts of burden? Any ideas from the Bible thumpers?
Yeah, get out more. If you're gonna go to Hell, atleast make the most of this life. Spending it all on a chess forum seems like a sad waste. 😉
Originally posted by pcaspianDo you have an answer or do you prefer to simply troll? If I was like you I'd alert your post, but since I believe even drivel like you spout is protected by freedom of speech, I'll let it slide.
Originally posted by no1marauder
[b] Now we've been told it was alright to slaughter women and children because they were "evil" but why they'd have to slaughter the "ox, and sheep, and ass" right there in Jericho? Were they too "evil" to own as beasts of burden? Any ideas from the Bible thumpers?
Yeah, get out more. If you're gonn ...[text shortened]... atleast make the most of this life. Spending it all on a chess forum seems like a sad waste. 😉[/b]
Originally posted by BigDoggProblemSo what if the medium is different (sperm and egg vs. dirt)?
Oh, I don't think it's that hard to have a child. The population is booming! Look around! Everyone is doing it! Somebody must be popping out the screaming little infants running amok in our restaurants and stores. Life creation has never been more popular, or easier. Sure, some couples aren't able to have children, but you said that [b]nobody b ...[text shortened]... ch as slaughtered an animal has killed. That means practically all of us have killed before.
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The egg and sperm are part of a process, it isn't like a painting.
Planting a seed in the ground so a tree grows isn't creating a tree.
If you do not see the difference I guess we just disagree.
Kelly
Originally posted by KellyJayYeah, I prefer the Mirriam-Webster dictionary to the KellyJay dictionary.
[b]So what if the medium is different (sperm and egg vs. dirt)?
The egg and sperm are part of a process, it isn't like a painting.
Planting a seed in the ground so a tree grows isn't creating a tree.
If you do not see the difference I guess we just disagree.
Kelly
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Originally posted by KellyJayLet's see how the word 'create' is being used.
I don't know why you would prefer it, since it agrees with what I have
said not what you have.
Kelly
http://nces.ed.gov/nceskids/Graphing/
http://www.createbands.com/
http://www.unicef.org/publications/index_4423.html
http://www.mcgillreport.org/phengta_profile.htm
Perhaps the wording you are looking for is "creating life from scratch" (or nothingness).