Originally posted by robbie carrobieAnd then there are those, like you and a certain person who has recently come 'back' to the forum, who treat the Bible as their God. They worship the Bible, not God.
Indeed its been my observation that many theists are in fact incapable of thinking rationally about the scriptures because of adherence to extra biblical doctrines or some other religious bias.
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Originally posted by checkbaiterBravo, finally, someone else who 'gets' it.
To understand why God killed people in the Old Testament (Genocide), go here...
http://www.truthortradition.com/articles/the-sons-of-god-of-genesis-six
Anyone who rejects the Lord Jesus after He suffered and died for your sins, deserves to go to hell. If you think you are innocent of any wrong doing, then blame Satan for your dilemma.
I have no problem with hell, but I do not believe it will be eternal suffering.
(Disclaimer: I'm only going by what you wrote in this post. It's altogether possible (and probable) that we disagree on other points.)
Originally posted by checkbaiterbwahahaha, the dude is actually saying that tall people are not natural, and it is right to kill them.
To understand why God killed people in the Old Testament (Genocide), go here...
http://www.truthortradition.com/articles/the-sons-of-god-of-genesis-six
Anyone who rejects the Lord Jesus after He suffered and died for your sins, deserves to go to hell. If you think you are innocent of any wrong doing, then blame Satan for your dilemma.
I have no problem with hell, but I do not believe it will be eternal suffering.
it is unbelievable what a huge pile of nonsense he was able to spew,
nevermind that, crazy people say crazy things all the time.
is he saying that it was morally right to kill all those people with the flood because they (not noah) were nephilim, children of angels and humans, and thus fuk'em? i didn't fully understand his point because he kept getting distracted by shiny things, he went into saying how genetic modification is bad.
Originally posted by Suzianne"Did you ever think to ASK God what's the deal with killing the Canaanites?"
So, because you do not have the wisdom of God, you call him an "ashole". (previous post)
Did you ever think to ASK God what's the deal with killing the Canaanites? Oh, wait, he's not likely to talk to any blasphemers, right. I'm so glad that YOU "get" the full picture, since not many Christians do, and some of them actually get pissed off about it, bec ...[text shortened]... of us are. How can you dare to "call him out"? It's vanity. And yep, there's a sin for that.
i did. "hey, god, if the story of the canaanite genocide is nonsense, say nothing"
"hey god, if the story of the flood is nonsense and you didn't plant all the evidence disproving it, say nothing"
"What you miss is that a sizable portion of Canaanites were left alive and they intermarried with the Israelites"
yes, even the psycho writing the text thought that a whole nation of murderers was too much so he toned down the slasher movie script a little.
Originally posted by Suzianne"So why believe in a God at all?"
So, because you do not have the wisdom of God, you call him an "ashole". (previous post)
Did you ever think to ASK God what's the deal with killing the Canaanites? Oh, wait, he's not likely to talk to any blasphemers, right. I'm so glad that YOU "get" the full picture, since not many Christians do, and some of them actually get pissed off about it, bec ...[text shortened]... of us are. How can you dare to "call him out"? It's vanity. And yep, there's a sin for that.
this would need a complex answer.
"You blaspheme him day in and day out anyways,"
ha! no, dear. i "blaspheme" the monster depicted in the bible, the monster you worship. i placed the quotes because it is really not blaspheming when you point out how ridiculous a fictional character is.
your god is no more real than Jason Vorhees but he has a much larger body count.
-Removed-Ok, so if the Bible is talking about a literal hell and punishment forever, it would be enough for you to ditch your faith?
When I came to Jesus I surrendered all of me. That meant that I may not understand all there was to know and that I don't know why God allowed me to suffer various trials in life etc. It means that I will let God be God and pray to better understand the realities around me while trusting that, in the end, he is benevolent and just.
I'm guessing whatever Jesus was trying to save us from was worthy of coming to earth, being torchered, and dying on a cross. I'm guessing that since such horrific pain was temporal, he was trying to save us from eternal pain/punishment.
What am I missing here?
As it stands, his disciples went down the same road as their Master. They endured hardship and eventually death for their faith.
If they were not fighting to help others escape eternal suffering, as well as themselves, what on earth is the gospel all about?
-Removed-Who am I to judge? I'm not. I'm merely pointing out that I believe that there is a judge, and that would be God. How God handles the various people who reject Christianity and so forth is entirely up to him, not me.
Now I assume that you don't believe that God is a judge, or if he is a judge, his judgments would never punish anyone or anything for an eternity. I would never make that assumption, especially in light of scripture that says otherwise.
-Removed-Who said anything about that?
The question is, does God send people to eternal punishment and not that he sends everyone there who reject him.
Again, I'm not the judge here and neither are you. The question being asked is, does the judge have a place of eternal torment and is it justifiable for some?