Originally posted by FMF
So the topic is Spirituality
. Fine. Lets' see how we can work this exchange into Badwater's subject.
What a disingenuous question.
It is a question to get things out in the open.
The clergy / laity system has not been good for the flourishing of spirituality all that much.
It puts TOO much pressure on some members of the Body of Christ who have been taught that they are supposed to have solutions to everyone's problems. This puts tremendous strain on people.
It also limits the function of other members of the Body of Christ who are taught that this and that they are not qualified to do because it is the Pastor's job, which can also constrict the flow of blessing for the building up of the church.
If someone made the mistake of taking the time to tell you, you would then say that you had, of course, known all along and go into long-and-high heat hairdryer mode expressing your ideological disapproval of ordination whilst leaving no doubt as to your own self-anointment.
The previous pointing out that you are the maestro of the disingenuous innuendo loaded questions on this Forum, I think, is noted by more than just me.
I do not claim a particular prophethood above anyone else as a position on this Forum. I never have. I have not argued for official authority in any manner. I have my viewpoint and rationals to confirm them as best as I can.
Unlike Grampy Bobby, I never insisted the Pastoral System was the only valid place one can find proper expounding of the Bible. That was a position that Grampy held strongly.
You never saw me pointing to myself as some official, ordained, only permanent instated teacher. I put my views out there and they either stand or fall on their own merits.
I do hold that the Bible is the authoritative revelation of God.
I have never argued that my interpretations of the Bible are infallible.
You just better have good skill and reasoning to show me an interpretation is not valid.
And I am NOT above being corrected.
So you are a member of the "priesthood", are you sonship?
I think the Bible shows the priesthood
of the believer.
That is not an official position.
And since the concern here is with genuine Spirituality, it should be welcomed that Christians all see that they are priests
. Now if you regard a priest
as something particularly religious, as in garb or something like a Catholic cleric, then you need to go to find out what a New Testament priest
I think you see "I am a priest" being said by me to mean "I am in a position and other Christians are not." The "universal priesthood" is much like the functioning members of the Body of Christ.
It also recognizes quality of priestly service.
And it recognizes growth of spiritual life and function.
Universal priesthood is not anarchy.
Are all the Christians here in this community members of the "priesthood" too?
The teaching of the New Testament to the believers in Christ is that they are all members of a royal priesthood.
" But you are a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people acquired for a possession, so that you may tell out the virtues of Him who has called you out of darkness into His marvelous light." ( 1 Peter 2:9)
We Christians are all called to be collectively "a royal priesthood"
Paul said as a gospel preaching Christian he was a "laboring priest"
announcing the Gospel of God.
" That I might be a minister of Christ Jesus to the Gentiles, a laboring priest of the gospel of God, in order that the offering of the Gentiles might be acceptable having been sanctified in the Holy Spirit." (Romans 15:16)
roigam, CalJust, Rajk999, divegeester, robbie carrobie, checkbaiter... are they all "in the priesthood" just the same as you are?
Every true Christian should realize and live as they are in the "royal priesthood"
The principle is what I mention.
You are trying to move from that to getting me to hand out official ordination papers.
It is good enough to mention that there is the priesthood of all believers in Christ.
You desire to push me from that into a position of declaring every poster writing "spiritual" or bible things as having my personal recommendation for some position.
Have you really never, ever ... ever... heard of "ordination" before - or "holy orders" - and do you genuinely not know what it is, even though hundreds and hundreds of millions of your fellow Christians know exactly what the words mean?
Yes I know something about the clergy / laity system.
For discussion's sake I asked him anyway. There was something in the tone of the OP that prompted me to to ask.
Badwater is a big boy and can respond for himself.
If Badwater wants to dismiss my posts on Revelation 14
as "Redneck Noise" he shouldn't mind if I call him out on what his "ordination" is that so qualifies him to "minister" in some official way.
Don't get me wrong. (I know that is your job though). Possessing skills picked up such as Hebrew reading or Greek reading or some other education, I do not despise. If it were me I would take the skill and forget about the official ordination.
That's because I read a book once called "The Normal Christian Church Life"
by a real functioning member of the Body of Christ with no seminary training - Brother Watchman Nee.
I know of another man who read that book and returned his ordination papers to his seminary. He told them that he had changed and had seen something higher about the priesthood of the believers in the New Testament.
That was a bold and consistent dedication to what someone learned was really true. It was a sacrifice that I myself am humbled at and would not boast that I would easily be able to do the same. But since I have no ordination papers I don't have to.
Christians go through different experiences of consecration. One dealing is for one believer and another is tailored for another believer.