Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-dukeHow's that one been working for you?
You want man to be 'lifted' by the divine. I want him to 'rise' of his own accord.
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Originally posted by @rajk999You say "nobody says that one is saved by works" and yet then you say (again) that those who are deemed "righteous" by what they "do" will be saved and no others will be saved.
Nobody says anyone is saved by works.
All people are saved by Jesus Christ.
Jesus welcomes into his kingdom all who lives righteously and do good works and will cast out all who dont.
This is what being "saved by works" means. Stop weaseling about it. YOU ARE saying that one is "saved by works". You even claim that one can be righteous without believing in God or especially in the Son of God, who is the One by whom this salvation is wrought.
"All people are saved by Jesus Christ."
Not if, as you claim, they must "work for it". Not if they do not believe in him as the Redeemer, the Son of God who took man's sins upon himself so that we might live. Not if they cannot even uphold their end of the bargain and they believe that they live and die by the law only.
One must Believe, and then Follow. You only believe that men must only Follow, that Belief is not necessary, that man can actually bridge the gap between himself and God that he himself created. One can only Follow one in whom he has Belief. Otherwise that "following" is aimless and useless, and only glorifies himself and not God.
-Removed-Especially the claim that "atheists will find themselves in God's Kingdom long before the Christians", or that they "earn their salvation by 'following' while not 'believing' ".
Somehow the atheists here especially like that one, even though they believe that only dust awaits us after death. It seems as if they are entertaining their own version of Pascal's Wager. Go figure.
Originally posted by @suzianneGood works and righteousness comes naturally to the sheep of Christ. It is alien to the goats who will be cast out.
You say "nobody says that one is saved by works" and yet then you say (again) that those who are deemed "righteous" by what they "do" will be saved and no others will be saved.
This is what being "saved by works" means. Stop weaseling about it. YOU ARE saying that one is "saved by works". You even claim that one can be righteous without believing in ...[text shortened]... ief. Otherwise that "following" is aimless and useless, and only glorifies himself and not God.
Originally posted by @philokaliaAnything to say about my response to your first post on this thread? It's on page two.
It is definitely always right to strive to do the good and to eliminate bad habits from y our life. One should be serious about that.
I almost sympathize with the fellows who insist that works are very, very important and that, traditionally, too much of Christianity has not affirmed this and instead relied on the doctrine of faith alone.
But we ...[text shortened]... in a time where the more common thing to do is to under appreciate this aspect of Christianity.
Originally posted by @suzianneAs I wrote to jaywill:
You keep saying that you "posted it in another thread" whether for my benefit or for others.
Since, as you claim, I did not respond, even after asking the question, then either it is because I did not see the answer, or I felt that you didn't actually respond or I felt your answer was a non-answer and so let it go for the moment.
So either point us at "that other thread" or re-post it here. Apparently I'm not the only one who missed it.
<<If you're really interested, send me a PM and I'll send you a link. I made the same offer to Suzianne, but never heard back.>>
The offer is still open to both of you.
Did God expect Jews to keep the Mosaic Law? And not just the Ten Commandments, but all of the Mosaic Law?
What did Jews have to do when they realized they couldn’t keep the Mosaic Law in its entirety? Why would God allow them to sacrifice animals when they failed to keep His law?
When Peter lied three times and told people he didn’t know Jesus Christ, did he sin? How did the Resurrected Jesus treat Peter after Peter had betrayed Him by claiming that he did not know Him?
Originally posted by @romans1009Do you want to be a sheep or a goat?
Did God expect Jews to keep the Mosaic Law? And not just the Ten Commandments, but all of the Mosaic Law?
What did Jews have to do when they realized they couldn’t keep the Mosaic Law in its entirety? Why would God allow them to sacrifice animals when they failed to keep His law?
When Peter lied three times and told people he didn’t know Jesus Chri ...[text shortened]... Resurrected Jesus treat Peter after Peter had betrayed Him by claiming that he did not know Him?
Originally posted by @romans1009Lol .. The biggest talkers are you and sonship. My post are usually brief and to the point.
You seem to talk a lot. Are you a goat?
Originally posted by @philokaliaWhats a worse habit? Smoking or ascosiating with the wrong people?
It is definitely always right to strive to do the good and to eliminate bad habits from y our life. One should be serious about that.
I almost sympathize with the fellows who insist that works are very, very important and that, traditionally, too much of Christianity has not affirmed this and instead relied on the doctrine of faith alone.
But we ...[text shortened]... in a time where the more common thing to do is to under appreciate this aspect of Christianity.