Belief in God or gods is a weakness in the moral fortitude of man. (And woman). The argument goes like this:
A well adjusted and moral human being will abhor genocide wherever or whenever it occurs. However, if this same well adjusted and moral human being believes in a God who has sanctioned such a genocide, they will accept it as a necessity. (As it derived from an infallible deity).
Human's are stronger without a God who can override their own sense of right and wrong.
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@ghost-of-a-duke saidThe rebellion, we know right and wrong now, we can call what we want good, and what we wish to evil. This was the temptation, and it is with the same lie, we will die with if we are not careful. God didn't really say that fills us with self-importance as if we owe nothing to our creator as if we owe nothing to the one who gives us air to breathe, health, sunshine, and so on.
Belief in God or gods is a weakness in the moral fortitude of man. (And woman). The argument goes like this:
A well adjusted and moral human being will abhor genocide wherever or whenever it occurs. However, if this same well adjusted and moral human being believes in a God who has sanctioned such a genocide, they will accept it as a necessity. (As it derived from ...[text shortened]... eity).
Human's are stronger without a God who can override their own sense of right and wrong.
Stronger without God is an illusion, our frames last a few years than we die. We can be crushed by so many things, defeated by so many things without God, but with Him, even death loses its sting. So I disagree with your assertion, entirely only those with God can stand without fear for nothing can take us out of His hands.
@kellyjay saidWhere do you stand on the whole 'genocide' thing?
The rebellion, we know right and wrong now, we can call what we want good, and what we wish to evil. This was the temptation, and it is with the same lie, we will die with if we are not careful. God didn't really say that fills us with self-importance as if we owe nothing to our creator as if we owe nothing to the one who gives us air to breathe, health, sunshine, and so on. ...[text shortened]... rtion, entirely only those with God can stand without fear for nothing can take us out of His hands.
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@ghost-of-a-duke saidYou really do need to be specific. If you are talking about God and His right to end life, He is the only one with that right. No one else gives life and maintains it but God. God sets all of the laws in nature in place even our life spans are established by God.
Where do you stand on the whole 'genocide' thing?
God is perfect in Goodness and Justice, so when He renders an opinion about something on the earth is done with justice. So if people are doing great evil in God's eyes and God chooses to stop them, and it is by the destruction of His choice, it is His right.
Keep in mind every life ends, someone could live to be eighty or two the reality of our lives here is that we are all going to die without exception and we live with the knowledge we are not promised tomorrow.
-Removed-(Chaney will like that we are disagreeing).
Okay, let's narrow down the OP. The Christian God, as presented in the OT, has clearly carried out acts of genocide. (Let's just go with the whole great flood episode). Our well adjusted and moral human being, who would ordinarily abhor genocide in all its forms, will necessarily have to concede it is sometimes justified, if they happen to be a Christian.
@ghost-of-a-duke saidWhat reasoning was given by God for His choice to end life with the flood, do you recall?
(Chaney will like that we are disagreeing).
Okay, let's narrow down the OP. The Christian God, as presented in the OT, has clearly carried out acts of genocide. (Let's just go with the whole great flood episode). Our well adjusted and moral human being, who would ordinarily abhor genocide in all its forms, will necessarily have to concede it is sometimes justified, if they happen to be a Christian.
@kellyjay saidI guess you are pro-genocide in this respect .
You really do need to be specific. If you are talking about God and His right to end life, He is the only one with that right. No one else gives life and maintains it but God. God sets all of the laws in nature in place even our life spans are established by God.
God is perfect in Goodness and Justice, so when He renders an opinion about something on the earth is done wit ...[text shortened]... are all going to die without exception and we live with the knowledge we are not promised tomorrow.
@kellyjay saidHis 'reasons' are not relevant here Kelly.
What reasoning was given by God for His choice to end life with the flood, do you recall?
I am presenting this from a human perspective. An individual who would ordinarily condemn genocide, will weaken this moral stance if they are a Christian.
This is just an example of how human morality is compromised by religious thought.
@ghost-of-a-duke saidWhich was my opening point you only care about your views! You know right and wrong your moral framework is what you want to use.
His 'reasons' are not relevant here Kelly.
I am presenting this from a human perspective. An individual who would ordinarily condemn genocide, will weaken this moral stance if they are a Christian.
This is just an example of how human morality is compromised by religious thought.
There is no doubt that the angry, jealous, killing, tempermental God of the OT is replaced with a "loving Father" in the NT.
It's as if the Council of Nicea was aware that an 'image upgrade' was needed, and constructed the Bible to change God into a "loving Father" as soon as Jesus was introduced.
The OT has distubing events in it, carried out or endorsed by God, and anyone who's rational would question those events, and whether a God could be of that character.