Stronger without a God

@sonship said
@Ghost-of-a-Duke

No.

Why was it not good for God to terminate these civilizations?

In His wisdom perhaps He knew the depths to which they had fallen was in danger of engulfing all of human civilization.

Why in your opinion should God have left these nations unjudged?

You've just demonstrated my point sonship (albeit unwittingly).

A well adjusted moral chap will abhor genocide wherever they find it. Introduce religion and he will suddenly ask questions like, "Why was it not good for God to terminate these civilizations?"

@ghost-of-a-duke said
You've just demonstrated my point sonship (albeit unwittingly).

A well adjusted moral chap will abhor genocide wherever they find it. Introduce religion and he will suddenly ask questions like, "Why was it not good for God to terminate these civilizations?"

You act as if civilizations are different than people just living out their daily lives.

@kellyjay said
You act as if civilizations are different than people just living out their daily lives.

And you act as though genocide is a nominal issue.

@ghost-of-a-duke said
And you act as though genocide is a nominal issue.

It is a matter of who we are talking about, you want to judge the one who sets the rules on life for life.

@ghost-of-a-duke said
Belief in God or gods is a weakness in the moral fortitude of man. (And woman). The argument goes like this:

A well adjusted and moral human being will abhor genocide wherever or whenever it occurs. However, if this same well adjusted and moral human being believes in a God who has sanctioned such a genocide, they will accept it as a necessity. (As it derived from ...[text shortened]... eity).

Human's are stronger without a God who can override their own sense of right and wrong.

Well adjusted moral human beings will abhor genocide?

Start any anti-abortion threads lately?

No? Didn't think so.

Oh, and I'm sure you will say that those not born yet are not really human, just like the Jews in Nazi Germany were really vermin and not really human an how infidels today are subhuman as well, etc.

In fact, the Pope, of all people, is more concerned about Trump building walls than his own church teaching that abortion is mass genocide.

Then again, the Pope seemed to ignore the holocaust as well. back in the 1940's.

If you ask me, these truths just goes to prove your need for God as well as the rest of us.

@kellyjay said
It is a matter of who we are talking about, you want to judge the one who sets the rules on life for life.

No, I have been very clear in what I have said. A person who, in every other scenario, would abhor genocide, will find themselves conceding it is sometimes justified, if they are believers in the Bible.

@ghost-of-a-duke said
No, I have been very clear in what I have said. A person who, in every other scenario, would abhor genocide, will find themselves conceding it is sometimes justified, if they are believers in the Bible.

For everyone one of us who does it yes, absolutely correct, as I abhor taking life in the womb as a great evil too where people think of that as a right! We do not form life while it is in the womb; we do not grant life to anyone so that they may live it, we do not set the length of days for anyone, neither is any of us promised tomorrow. If either of us were to die in our sleep tomorrow, would that be a crime? It is God who sets that time limit!

The OT and NT forbid the taking of another's life; human life is sacred as we all created in the image of God. Without God, can this be justified as a crime! If it is said the laws of man can use to judge and condemn, laws vary as do cultures what is acceptable to one is not another. The Nazi as they were doing it, they were following lawful orders from those above them at the time.

In this day and age of the survival of the fittest, with that background can we justify feeding the hungry, taking care of the elderly, as they are a drain on the healthy the fit. The only reason taking of a life can even be called crime is there is some law against it, while Christianity provides laws against it because human life is sacred, but when the dispute on absolutes and relativism are on the table at all times, how do you come up with your notion of crimes?

@kellyjay said
For everyone one of us who does it yes, absolutely correct, as I abhor taking life in the womb as a great evil too where people think of that as a right! We do not form life while it is in the womb; we do not grant life to anyone so that they may live it, we do not set the length of days for anyone, neither is any of us promised tomorrow. If either of us were to die in our s ...[text shortened]... solutes and relativism are on the table at all times, how do you come up with your notion of crimes?

Unlike mine, your abhorrence of genocide comes with a caveat.

'It's okay if God says it's okay.' (Not a quote).


Hence the point of the OP. Belief in God weakens the moral fortitude of man. When it comes to genocide, there shouldn't be any caveats.

@ghost-of-a-duke said
Unlike mine, your abhorrence of genocide comes with a caveat.

'It's okay if God says it's okay.' (Not a quote).


Hence the point of the OP. Belief in God weakens the moral fortitude of man. When it comes to genocide, there shouldn't be any caveats.

I am telling you its God's prerogative to set the times of all life, looking at any group and saying it is wrong for that group is to single out some of the many when all of the human race owes there very being to God. A man-made choice to kill off a people be it in the womb or a race or sexual preference; it is not justified we do not put up the boundaries that God does.

@ghost-of-a-duke said
Unlike mine, your abhorrence of genocide comes with a caveat.

'It's okay if God says it's okay.' (Not a quote).


Hence the point of the OP. Belief in God weakens the moral fortitude of man. When it comes to genocide, there shouldn't be any caveats.

You accept abortion as a right for any woman for any reason?

@kellyjay said
I am telling you its God's prerogative to set the times of all life, looking at any group and saying it is wrong for that group is to single out some of the many when all of the human race owes there very being to God. A man-made choice to kill off a people be it in the womb or a race or sexual preference; it is not justified we do not put up the boundaries that God does.

Yes, and it is that fallacious belief that has weakened your moral fortitude.

@ghost-of-a-duke said
Unlike mine, your abhorrence of genocide comes with a caveat.

'It's okay if God says it's okay.' (Not a quote).


Hence the point of the OP. Belief in God weakens the moral fortitude of man. When it comes to genocide, there shouldn't be any caveats.

An absolute?

@kellyjay said
You accept abortion as a right for any woman for any reason?

I haven't shared my views on abortion and it is a diversion from the OP.

@ghost-of-a-duke said
Yes, and it is that fallacious belief that has weakened your moral fortitude.

That God can do what God wants to do with what God has made?

@ghost-of-a-duke said
I haven't shared my views on abortion and it is a diversion from the OP.

BS, it is the taking of a life, you have rules!