@ghost-of-a-duke saidYou are either left with an absolute, or you have to acknowledge all of this is relative. Tomorrow others may say it is the natural order of things.
As I said, 'there does tend to be an alignment on things like 'murder is wrong' etc.' (That includes genocide).
@kellyjay saidMorality does indeed change. The problem is that the archaic morality encapsulated in the OT doesn't.
You are either left with an absolute, or you have to acknowledge all of this is relative. Tomorrow others may say it is the natural order of things.
The above is a good demonstration sonship of how a religiously indoctrinated brain will seek to make the sending of bears to rip delinquent youths to pieces as something wholly compatible with a righteous God.
You're the indoctrinated one. Hunting through the Old Testament for anything that isn't indicative of Barney the Dinosaur.
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@sonship saidNo need to hunt. The OT is positively riddled with such ghastly occurrences.
@Ghost-of-a-DukeThe above is a good demonstration sonship of how a religiously indoctrinated brain will seek to make the sending of bears to rip delinquent youths to pieces as something wholly compatible with a righteous God.
You're the indoctrinated one. Hunting through the Old Testament for anything that isn't indicative of Barney the Dinosaur.
Do you want to hear my top 10?
@ghost-of-a-duke saidYou have not touched anything with the OT with respect to the morality of those times. You have only addressed a couple of judgments. You think the 10 Commandments are worthless? Even the eye for an eye prohibited excess revenge!
Morality does indeed change. The problem is that the archaic morality encapsulated in the OT doesn't.
@kellyjay saidDid you accidentally miss the reference to killer bears?! Doesn't OT morality originate with God and the way He behaves?
You have not touched anything with the OT with respect to the morality of those times. You have only addressed a couple of judgments. You think the 10 Commandments are worthless? Even the eye for an eye prohibited excess revenge!
@ghost-of-a-duke saidSo if morality really changes why are you finding fault?
Morality does indeed change. The problem is that the archaic morality encapsulated in the OT doesn't.
@ghost-of-a-duke saidWas that a judgment or a moral framework you can discuss?
Did you accidentally miss the reference to killer bears?! Doesn't OT morality originate with God and the way He behaves?
@chaney3 saidWhat you will see in scripture is as the leadership goes so does the country or kingdom. God blesses good rulers and judgment falls on the bad.
The 10th plague, better known as Passover, has always troubled me. Many many innocent children died due to a dispute between Moses and Pharoah, in which most of those families had no clue was even taking place.
@ghost-of-a-duke saidAll morality originate with God.
Did you accidentally miss the reference to killer bears?! Doesn't OT morality originate with God and the way He behaves?
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@kellyjay saidThe judgement fell upon children.
What you will see in scripture is as the leadership goes so does the country or kingdom. God blesses good rulers and judgment falls on the bad.
Are you aware of the 10th plague?
Edit: in fact, ALL 10 plagues affected innocent people.
@kellyjay saidTo 'a Christian', all morality originates with God.
All morality originate with God.
And that's the problem I am raising in this thread. 'If God did it, it must be good.' - To borrow a favorite expression from Becker, if the OT contained a story where God 'tortured babies for fun,' Christians here (like sonship) would be robustly explaining why such an occurrence didn't compromise God's righteousness.
@chaney3 saidA Christian has no option but to compromise their own moral framework in order to accept such occurrences as just.
The judgement fell upon children.
Are you aware of the 10th plague?
Edit: in fact, ALL 10 plagues affected innocent people.