Stronger without a God

@ghost-of-a-duke said
So you are retracting your statement, 'it is you who justifies or turns a blind eye to the death of millions one at a time'?

And yes, you view all human life as sacred,...unless God indicates otherwise.

Every life is sacred, those living now and those not, if you are going to look at scripture look at all of it. God is God of the living not the dead, being removed from this temporary life does not mean oblivion.

@kellyjay said
I am not turning a blind eye, I told you every death is due to the God who gives life in the first place. If anything I have gone far above your complaints.

'Turning a blind eye' was your comment Kelly. I am asking if you are retracting it, bearing in mind you have no idea about my views on abortion.

@ghost-of-a-duke said
'Turning a blind eye' was your comment Kelly. I am asking if you are retracting it, bearing in mind you have no idea about my views on abortion.

Limiting the discussion to the death by one mode ignores all the other. I have no idea what your views are on abortion are but I know your not entertaining them, or death by drug overdoses, gun shots, while sleeping, old age, and everything else.

@ghost-of-a-duke said
Human's are stronger without a God who can override their own sense of right and wrong.

God can "override" death. No one is stronger than God. Without God no one would have a sense of anything.

Your argument is very weak.

@kellyjay said
Limiting the discussion to the death by one mode ignores all the other. I have no idea what your views are on abortion are but I know your not entertaining them, or death by drug overdoses, gun shots, while sleeping, old age, and everything else.

So no retraction on your false assumption about my unstated beliefs?

Again, if the OP is of no interest to you, don't feel obliged to address it.

@secondson said
God can "override" death. No one is stronger than God. Without God no one would have a sense of anything.

Your argument is very weak.

God is the weakness. Why? Because he doesn't exist.

A stable and moral person will entertain, if a Christian, the horrors of the OT and assimilate into their moral framework, allowing their morality to be degraded by a fictional deity.

@ghost-of-a-duke said
To clarify, people are automatically indifferent about topics they haven't posted about?!

I am yet to hear you post anything about children dying from famine in Africa. Is it okay for me to assume you are indifferent to their plight?

One last time, it was your premise that society without God was stronger morally. This same secularized society has embraced abortion on demand as a result.

So is society really stronger morally?

@ghost-of-a-duke said
A stable and moral person will entertain, if a Christian, the horrors of the OT and assimilate into their moral framework, allowing their morality to be degraded by a fictional deity.

Care to rephrase? Seems a grammatically challenged statement.

@whodey said
One last time, it was your premise that society without God was stronger morally. This same secularized society has embraced abortion on demand as a result.

So is society really stronger morally?

Where in my OP did I mention society?

@secondson said
Care to rephrase? Seems a grammatically challenged statement.

I'm perfectly happy with it.

Give it another read.

@ghost-of-a-duke said
Where in my OP did I mention society?

Do not men and women make up society?

Seems like an odd retort.

@whodey said
Do not men and women make up society?

Seems like an odd retort.

The OP was purposefully presented on an individual level. (To avoid such 'secular society' diversions).

The issue is the profound 'immorality' encapsulated in the OT (and the Koran for that matter) that weakens the morality of the modern human. (Genocide, eternal torment,...take your pick).

@ghost-of-a-duke said
The OP was purposefully presented on an individual level. (To avoid such 'secular society' diversions).

The issue is the profound 'immorality' encapsulated in the OT (and the Koran for that matter) that weakens the morality of the modern human. (Genocide, eternal torment,...take your pick).

But I can speak about society in general, but know nothing about you.

I have also tried to speak about morality questions in the OT but you seem uninterested to do so.

As a result, I have little more to say considering that all you wish to talk about your own morality for which I know nothing about.

What I can say, however is how the morality of the Torah and the coming of Jesus has made society stronger and better, or do you disagree?

@whodey said
But I can speak about society in general, but know nothing about you.

I have also tried to speak about morality questions in the OT but you seem uninterested to do so.

As a result, I have little more to say considering that all you wish to talk about your own morality for which I know nothing about.

What I can say, however is how the morality of the Torah and the coming of Jesus has made society stronger and better, or do you disagree?

If you are conceding that the God in the OT is a different God, then cool. If not, my point still stands.

@ghost-of-a-duke said
So no retraction on your false assumption about my unstated beliefs?

Again, if the OP is of no interest to you, don't feel obliged to address it.

No I absolutely apologize to you if I said ANYTHING false or even hinted at it! It would be my error not you!