Originally posted by googlefudgeI don't classify the JW's as a Chritian Denomination. Since you are
Actually we can and do realise that the different denominations are mutually contradictory and have
radically different ideas about most aspects of their religions including god.
However for classification purposes it is best not to look at differences, as you can use differences
to end up classifying almost every single individual as having a sep ...[text shortened]... or support your
position.
Especially as you don't really understand atheists or atheism.
an atheist, you must know more than anyone else about what is to
define a Christian Denomination. You are welcome to your opinion.
You are right that I should have known an atheist would not be able
to understand such matter and should not have even mentioned them.
Now begone.
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-Removed-Yes he is a God. I just answered this a few posting back but you may not have seen it.
If you can't find it let me know...
Among the Hebrew words that are translated “God” is ’El, probably meaning “Mighty One; Strong One.” (Ge 14:18) It is used with reference to Jehovah, to other gods, and to men. It is also used extensively in the makeup of proper names, such as Elisha (meaning “God Is Salvation&rdquo😉 and Michael (“Who Is Like God?&rdquo😉. In some places ’El appears with the definite article (ha’El, literally, “the God&rdquo😉 with reference to Jehovah, thereby distinguishing him from other gods.—Ge 46:3; 2Sa 22:31; see NW appendix, p. 1567.
At Isaiah 9:6 Jesus Christ is prophetically called ’El Gibbohr;, “Mighty God” (not ’El Shaddai; [God Almighty], which is applied to Jehovah at Genesis 17:1).
Originally posted by galveston75From the online dictionary here are two defiitions:
Yes he is a God. I just answered this a few posting back but you may not have seen it.
If you can't find it let me know...
Among the Hebrew words that are translated “God” is ’El, probably meaning “Mighty One; Strong One.” (Ge 14:18) It is used with reference to Jehovah, to other gods, and to men. It is also used extensively in the makeup of proper ...[text shortened]... ;, “Mighty God” (not ’El Shaddai; [God Almighty], which is applied to Jehovah at Genesis 17:1).
almighty
adj.
1. Having absolute power; all-powerful: almighty God.
2. Informal Great; extreme: an almighty din.
adv. Informal
Used as an intensive: almighty scared.
n. Almighty
God. Used with the.
Authority
n.
The power to enforce laws, exact obedience, command, determine, or judge.
We now agree that the child referred to in Isaiah 9:6 is Jesus and that He
is to be called "mighty God" or maybe "mighty god" just as your Jehovah is
call "mighty God". But you say your Jehovah is the only one call almighty.
There is also a disagreement as to who is speaking in Revelation that calls
Himself "almighty". However, after His resurrection, Jesus says that all
authority has been given to Him in heaven and on earth. Since authority is
defined as power then why does that not indicate He is all-powerful and
therefore almighty?
Originally posted by RJHindsRead the above posting or be done with it. Stay stuck in the dark ages and never learn...........
From the online dictionary here are two defiitions:
almighty
adj.
1. Having absolute power; all-powerful: almighty God.
2. Informal Great; extreme: an almighty din.
adv. Informal
Used as an intensive: almighty scared.
n. Almighty
God. Used with the.
Authority
n.
The power to enforce laws, exact obedience, command, determine, or judge.
We ...[text shortened]... ned as power then why does that not indicate He is all-powerful and
therefore almighty?
Originally posted by galveston75For a Child hath been born to us, A Son hath been given to us,
Read the above posting or be done with it. Stay stuck in the dark ages and never learn...........
And the princely power is on his shoulder, And He doth call his
name Wonderful, Counsellor, Mighty God, Father of Eternity,
Prince of Peace. (Isaiah 9:6 Young's Literal Translation)
gibbovr or gibbowr, 1368 strong, mighty from gabar
'el, 410 God (god)
"The virgin will be with child and will give birth to a son,
and they will call him Immanuel"--which means, "God with us."
(Matthew 1:23 NIV)
Today in the town of David a Savior has been born to you;
he is Christ the Lord. (Luke 2:11 NIV)
For the LORD your God is God of gods and Lord of lords,
the great God, mighty and awesome, who shows no partiality
and accepts no bribes. (Deuteronomy 10:17 NIV)
Who is the great, mighty God that is Lord of lords?
Let us see.
These will make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb will overcome
them, for He is Lord of lords and King of kings; and those who
are with Him are called, chosen, and faithful.”
(Revelation 17:14 NKJV)
And I saw heaven opened, and behold, a white horse, and He who
sat on it is called Faithful and True, and in righteousness He
judges and wages war. His eyes are a flame of fire, and on His
head are many diadems; and He has a name written on Him which
no one knows except Himself. He is clothed with a robe dipped
in blood, and His name is called The Word of God. And the armies
which are in heaven, clothed in fine linen, white and clean,
were following Him on white horses. From His mouth comes a sharp
sword, so that with it He may strike down the nations, and He
will rule them with a rod of iron; and He treads the wine press
of the fierce wrath of God, the Almighty. And on His robe and
on His thigh He has a name written, “KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF
LORDS.” (Revelation 19:11-16 NASB)
It is Yahshua (Jesus) the Son of God.
Originally posted by robbie carrobieThis is the crux of the this passage how and why is the child the son called eternal father? Was it mis-translated ? RC you try to duck this but it's so simple a child could understand it. It also seems contradictory on the surface. how can the son be called eternal father? How can there be one God with a triune nature?
Ill let the Gman handle all questions of a theological nature, i am interested in the base texts.
Manny
Originally posted by galveston75Dude you and RC just like slippery snakes !!!! Answer the question
No problem, I will but I have an observation my friend. You come up with these questions, which are good questions for sure, and then we answer them and more then not I hear no responce from you on most. Just wondering if we're answering them for you satisfactory or not? Most you don't seem to respond too.
How is it that the Son the child mentioned in Isa 9:6 is to be named the eternal father?
SIMPLE BUT YOU GUYS LIKE THE REAL SNAKES that you are will not answer this question.
Manny
Originally posted by galveston75How is the child given the son to be called eternal father? The eternal father is who?
Ok, break down word by word what these discriptions mean and if that could apply to the Almighty God...
Could a spiritual being in the way we concieve God as being from eternity to eternity be called a SON or CHILD? Isn't a son or child an offspring of another being?
"His name will be called"????? If Jesus were truly God all along from eternity ...[text shortened]... ame as his King who rules over him?
You have to view this as simply as it truly is.
Take off your blinders man!!!
Manny
Originally posted by galveston75The son is not simply called our father but eternal father
Ok, break down word by word what these discriptions mean and if that could apply to the Almighty God...
Could a spiritual being in the way we concieve God as being from eternity to eternity be called a SON or CHILD? Isn't a son or child an offspring of another being?
"His name will be called"????? If Jesus were truly God all along from eternity ...[text shortened]... ame as his King who rules over him?
You have to view this as simply as it truly is.
The son who has all of the qualities of God (because the son is God) had to be sent to pay for our sins.
Manny
Originally posted by RJHindsYahshua is basically Joshua in English which is basically Jesus and it does mean God saves. it's ok to call him Jesus as this is the English way of saying it RJ
Look at Exodus 3:14 again. In response to the question from Moses about
what name shall I give the sons of Israel as to the name of the God that
sent me to them, God said, (English Translation) "I AM WHO I AM" then God
goes on to say, "Thus you shall say to the sons of Israel, I AM has sent me
to you." Then in verse 15 God says, "This is My name foreve ...[text shortened]... for it is He
who will save His people from their sins. (Matthew 1:21 NASB)
Manny
Originally posted by RJHindsI love the Risen Savior 😉 Revelation shows Him in all power and glory which he deserves
For a Child hath been born to us, A Son hath been given to us,
And the princely power is on his shoulder, And He doth call his
name Wonderful, Counsellor, Mighty God, Father of Eternity,
Prince of Peace. (Isaiah 9:6 Young's Literal Translation)
gibbovr or gibbowr, 1368 strong, mighty from gabar
'el, 410 God (god)
"The virgin will be with chil ...[text shortened]... , AND LORD OF
LORDS.” (Revelation 19:11-16 NASB)
It is Yahshua (Jesus) the Son of God.
Manny
Originally posted by menace71i have not tried to avoid anything, I have the same beliefs as the Gman, i am
This is the crux of the this passage how and why is the child the son called eternal father? Was it mis-translated ? RC you try to duck this but it's so simple a child could understand it. It also seems contradictory on the surface. how can the son be called eternal father? How can there be one God with a triune nature?
Manny
interested not in theological debate, but in what the original texts states, have i not
made this clear enough. f course i could render an explanation, but so what? would
you accept it? i doubt it. Whereas when one reads and reasons from the base texts,
its not so easy for your dogma to impose itself, for the text speaks for itself. You can
impute whatever motives you think, frankly my dear, i dont give a damn!