21 Nov 06
how does religion view suicide..? will someone who has committed suicide go to hell..? who's to blame in that situation, the person who committed the act or god himself..? before most people jump to god's defence, the fact that a person cannot take any more and so commits suicide could be said to be a lack of judgement on god's part
21 Nov 06
Originally posted by rooktakesqueenNo, it's a lack of judgment on the person's part. There may be exonerating factors, though, that would reduce the moral culpability of the act.
how does religion view suicide..? will someone who has committed suicide go to hell..? who's to blame in that situation, the person who committed the act or god himself..? before most people jump to god's defence, the fact that a person cannot take any more and so commits suicide could be said to be a lack of judgement on god's part
21 Nov 06
Originally posted by lucifershammerI think we've been over this. Is there ever a situation where a suicide doesn't entail exonerating
No, it's a lack of judgment on the person's part. There may be exonerating factors, though, that would reduce the moral culpability of the act.
factors? A person who doesn't desire to live seems to be going against the very fundament of
biology -- whether because of a debilitating illness or mental instability. There is no such thing as
a perfectly healthy person who commits suicide, unless it is by means of some sort of sacrifice
(a parent running into a burning building to save a child, which itself is a mitigating factor).
Nemesio
21 Nov 06
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Originally posted by NemesioDo you include war protest as sacrifice, like in the case of Malachi Ritscher? He committed suicide by self-immolation in downtown Chicago to protest the war in Iraq (with virtually no media response). His written statements are quite lucid.
I think we've been over this. Is there ever a situation where a suicide doesn't entail exonerating
factors? A person who doesn't desire to live seems to be going against the very fundament of
biology -- whether because of a debilitating illness or mental instability. There is no such thing as
a perfectly healthy person who commits suicide, unless it is ...[text shortened]... ing into a burning building to save a child, which itself is a mitigating factor).
Nemesio
http://www.iheardyoumalachi.org/story.html
21 Nov 06
Originally posted by Poison GodmachineWithout knowing anything about the situation (and not having the time now to research it), I
Do you include war protest as sacrifice, like in the case of Malachi Ritscher? He committed suicide by self-immolation in downtown Chicago to protest the war in Iraq (with virtually no media response). His written statements are quite lucid.
http://www.iheardyoumalachi.org/story.html
would say anyone who chooses this form of protest over other available forms is showing signs
of mental compromise. Lucid writing does not necessarily mean lucid thinking; the writing could
be very well formed on very flawed premises.
This is an admittedly uninformed position since your post represents 100% of what I know about
the situation.
Nemesio
21 Nov 06
Originally posted by rooktakesqueenIt depends which religion and which sect within that religion you're contemplating.
how does religion view suicide..? will someone who has committed suicide go to hell..? who's to blame in that situation, the person who committed the act or god himself..? before most people jump to god's defence, the fact that a person cannot take any more and so commits suicide could be said to be a lack of judgement on god's part
Jesus' death was suicide, wasn't it?
Suicide bombers become martyers, don't they?
Mothers who don't abort sometimes die, don't they?
There's a multitude of examples possible, I've chosen a few of the more extreme.
Would "religion" judge suicide differently between someone who's clinically depressed (out of their hands), suicide bomber (poverty and helplessness) or Son of God (dying for someone elses sins)?
22 Nov 06
Originally posted by rooktakesqueenNo, you don't go to Hell because of suicide. It took me many years to figure it out. If suicide is a sin that is capable of sentencing to Hell, then everybody goes to Hell for sins that we all commit throughout our lifetimes.
how does religion view suicide..? will someone who has committed suicide go to hell..? who's to blame in that situation, the person who committed the act or god himself..? before most people jump to god's defence, the fact that a person cannot take any more and so commits suicide could be said to be a lack of judgement on god's part
Just another point in regards to a suicide of Jesus that I heard mentioned in another post. It isn't suicide if you continually do something you know is right, where the punishment imposed is death. He's a hero, for dying for no reason.
22 Nov 06
Originally posted by rooktakesqueenI've heard it's painless... and 80% sure to make you famous. A chocolate medal for whoever tells me the band and song.
how does religion view suicide..? will someone who has committed suicide go to hell..? who's to blame in that situation, the person who committed the act or god himself..? before most people jump to god's defence, the fact that a person cannot take any more and so commits suicide could be said to be a lack of judgement on god's part
22 Nov 06
Originally posted by scottishinnzTheme song for MASH. No clue about the band, but I know that the director of the movie's son
I've heard it's painless... and 80% sure to make you famous. A chocolate medal for whoever tells me the band and song.
wrote the lyrics (he was a teenager at the time...grim kid).
Nemesio
22 Nov 06
Originally posted by StarrmanNah, I've heard SS's referenced song before, it's the same people who did "Your Missus is a Nutter", but I don't know who they are or what it's called. It's quite funny though.
Suicide is painless by Johnny Mandel & Mike Altman
Thanks for pointing out who actually did "Suicide Is Painless".