suicide

how does religion view suicide..? will someone who has committed suicide go to hell..? who's to blame in that situation, the person who committed the act or god himself..? before most people jump to god's defence, the fact that a person cannot take any more and so commits suicide could be said to be a lack of judgement on god's part

Originally posted by rooktakesqueen
how does religion view suicide..? will someone who has committed suicide go to hell..? who's to blame in that situation, the person who committed the act or god himself..? before most people jump to god's defence, the fact that a person cannot take any more and so commits suicide could be said to be a lack of judgement on god's part

No, it's a lack of judgment on the person's part. There may be exonerating factors, though, that would reduce the moral culpability of the act.

Originally posted by lucifershammer
No, it's a lack of judgment on the person's part. There may be exonerating factors, though, that would reduce the moral culpability of the act.

I think we've been over this. Is there ever a situation where a suicide doesn't entail exonerating
factors? A person who doesn't desire to live seems to be going against the very fundament of
biology -- whether because of a debilitating illness or mental instability. There is no such thing as
a perfectly healthy person who commits suicide, unless it is by means of some sort of sacrifice
(a parent running into a burning building to save a child, which itself is a mitigating factor).

Nemesio

Originally posted by Nemesio
I think we've been over this. Is there ever a situation where a suicide doesn't entail exonerating
factors? A person who doesn't desire to live seems to be going against the very fundament of
biology -- whether because of a debilitating illness or mental instability. There is no such thing as
a perfectly healthy person who commits suicide, unless it is ...[text shortened]... ing into a burning building to save a child, which itself is a mitigating factor).

Nemesio

Do you include war protest as sacrifice, like in the case of Malachi Ritscher? He committed suicide by self-immolation in downtown Chicago to protest the war in Iraq (with virtually no media response). His written statements are quite lucid.

http://www.iheardyoumalachi.org/story.html

Originally posted by Poison Godmachine
Do you include war protest as sacrifice, like in the case of Malachi Ritscher? He committed suicide by self-immolation in downtown Chicago to protest the war in Iraq (with virtually no media response). His written statements are quite lucid.

http://www.iheardyoumalachi.org/story.html

Without knowing anything about the situation (and not having the time now to research it), I
would say anyone who chooses this form of protest over other available forms is showing signs
of mental compromise. Lucid writing does not necessarily mean lucid thinking; the writing could
be very well formed on very flawed premises.

This is an admittedly uninformed position since your post represents 100% of what I know about
the situation.

Nemesio

Originally posted by rooktakesqueen
how does religion view suicide..? will someone who has committed suicide go to hell..? who's to blame in that situation, the person who committed the act or god himself..? before most people jump to god's defence, the fact that a person cannot take any more and so commits suicide could be said to be a lack of judgement on god's part

It depends which religion and which sect within that religion you're contemplating.

Jesus' death was suicide, wasn't it?
Suicide bombers become martyers, don't they?
Mothers who don't abort sometimes die, don't they?

There's a multitude of examples possible, I've chosen a few of the more extreme.

Would "religion" judge suicide differently between someone who's clinically depressed (out of their hands), suicide bomber (poverty and helplessness) or Son of God (dying for someone elses sins)?

is suicide that bad? nobody asked to be born.

Originally posted by EcstremeVenom
is suicide that bad? nobody asked to be born.

Why don't you try it then?

Originally posted by rwingett
Why don't you try it then?

theres a lot of reasons, im not naming them all.

Originally posted by rooktakesqueen
how does religion view suicide..? will someone who has committed suicide go to hell..? who's to blame in that situation, the person who committed the act or god himself..? before most people jump to god's defence, the fact that a person cannot take any more and so commits suicide could be said to be a lack of judgement on god's part

No, you don't go to Hell because of suicide. It took me many years to figure it out. If suicide is a sin that is capable of sentencing to Hell, then everybody goes to Hell for sins that we all commit throughout our lifetimes.

Just another point in regards to a suicide of Jesus that I heard mentioned in another post. It isn't suicide if you continually do something you know is right, where the punishment imposed is death. He's a hero, for dying for no reason.

Originally posted by rooktakesqueen
how does religion view suicide..? will someone who has committed suicide go to hell..? who's to blame in that situation, the person who committed the act or god himself..? before most people jump to god's defence, the fact that a person cannot take any more and so commits suicide could be said to be a lack of judgement on god's part

I've heard it's painless... and 80% sure to make you famous. A chocolate medal for whoever tells me the band and song.

Originally posted by scottishinnz
I've heard it's painless... and 80% sure to make you famous. A chocolate medal for whoever tells me the band and song.

Theme song for MASH. No clue about the band, but I know that the director of the movie's son
wrote the lyrics (he was a teenager at the time...grim kid).

Nemesio

Originally posted by Nemesio
Theme song for MASH. No clue about the band, but I know that the director of the movie's son
wrote the lyrics (he was a teenager at the time...grim kid).

Nemesio

Suicide is painless by Johnny Mandel & Mike Altman

Originally posted by lucifershammer
No, it's a lack of judgment on the person's part. There may be exonerating factors, though, that would reduce the moral culpability of the act.

And who is responsible for a persons lacks? Surely God is.

Originally posted by Starrman
Suicide is painless by Johnny Mandel & Mike Altman

Nah, I've heard SS's referenced song before, it's the same people who did "Your Missus is a Nutter", but I don't know who they are or what it's called. It's quite funny though.

Thanks for pointing out who actually did "Suicide Is Painless".