Taking the good

@fmf said
Morality is a human construct. It governs human interactions. If you refer to the God figure you worship, and if your conscience would not otherwise be able to perceive evil, then so be it.

Your reliance on religious texts is part of the "nurture" element, i.e. stimulus and learning and experience and a lifetime of interaction.

Perhaps the "nature" element of your personho ...[text shortened]... eath ~ to be a religious texts-based philosophical and moral stance that makes you sound very silly.

You make it into whatever you want as do all who avoid God, one of the great evils
there is.

@kellyjay said
Yes, my fault, you and your moral compass only recognizes your side of the discussion.

your moral compass only recognizes your side of the discussion

The way you have tossed the words "moral compass" into this sentence makes it look like you have no real idea what the term "moral compass" means.

@fmf said
What makes you claim I don't "recognize your side of the discussion"? Another strawman. My engagement with your beliefs is all there in post after post, page after page, thread after thread, year after year. My approach to our conversations is a far cry from your constant resort to informal fallacies.

Oh no I believe you see my side of the discussion and as you make good and evil
as you see fit, you can say things like this.

"Who knows, perhaps you have ghastly political beliefs that you self-sanctify by babbling on about Jesus in some tawdry, misanthropic and narcissistic way? Maybe that's why you are keeping schtum."

@kellyjay said
You make it into whatever you want as do all who avoid God, one of the great evils
there is.

If you want to call my lack of belief in your particular God figure "one of the great evils there is", so be it.

@kellyjay said
Oh no I believe you see my side of the discussion and as you make good and evil
as you see fit, you can say things like this.

"Who knows, perhaps you have ghastly political beliefs that you self-sanctify by babbling on about Jesus in some tawdry, misanthropic and narcissistic way? Maybe that's why you are keeping schtum."

Yes. This is what I said: "Who knows, perhaps you have ghastly political beliefs that you self-sanctify by babbling on about Jesus in some tawdry, misanthropic and narcissistic way? Maybe that's why you are keeping schtum."

You also sidestepped forum discussions about banning contraceptives, banning interracial marriage and criminalizing homosexuality.

Do you believe what I deduce from your behaviour - and those thoughts that I have expressed above - are "evil"?

@fmf said
If you want to call my lack of belief in your particular God figure "one of the great evils there is", so be it.

God is the great good, and the source of all things, that which isn't of God and
opposed to Him is evil, you believe you are the source of good and evil by the
way you see things, and the judgments you render, because you have a high
opinion of yourself, so be it. The more good God shows you the more your evil is
displayed.

@kellyjay said
God is the great good, and the source of all things, that which isn't of God and
opposed to Him is evil, you believe you are the source of good and evil by the
way you see things, and the judgments you render, because you have a high
opinion of yourself, so be it. The more good God shows you the more your evil is
displayed.

If your belief in your God figure - and reciting stuff like God is the great good, and the source of all things, that which isn't of God and opposed to Him is evil - helps your moral compass to work well and, consequently, you don't harm, don't deceive and don't coerce etc., then that is fine.

@kellyjay said
The more good God shows you the more your evil is
displayed.

If your moral compass is telling you that my "evil is displayed" because of my lack of belief in your God figure, then that is a matter for you.

@kellyjay said
God is the great good, and the source of all things, that which isn't of God and
opposed to Him is evil, you believe you are the source of good and evil by the
way you see things, and the judgments you render, because you have a high
opinion of yourself, so be it. The more good God shows you the more your evil is
displayed.

You believe you are the source of good and evil

I have never said any such thing. I "believe" I am "the source of good and evil"?

Do I really? You got that from reading my posts? That's your latest strawman?

What a pity you cannot converse in good faith.

@kellyjay said
God is the great good, and the source of all things, that which isn't of God and
opposed to Him is evil.

If a creator entity has endowed each of us with consciousness and conscience, then I am not "opposed" to it.

@fmf said
If a creator entity has endowed each of us with consciousness and conscience, then I am not "opposed" to it.

That is mighty charitable of you, that is right up there with in a binary choice one of them is right, very hard hitting.

@fmf said
If your belief in your God figure - and reciting stuff like God is the great good, and the source of all things, that which isn't of God and opposed to Him is evil - helps your moral compass to work well and, consequently, you don't harm, don't deceive and don't coerce etc., then that is fine.

That type of response works both ways your denial of allows you to define morals any way you want, and since reality is open season with morals, I can only assume everything else is to. With your denial of God means the universe can be defined any way you choose ignoring what God has done, you withhold giving Him credit everywhere. How evil avoids truth, all truth where convenient.

@kellyjay said
That is mighty charitable of you, that is right up there with in a binary choice one of them is right, very hard hitting.

"Charitable"?

@kellyjay said
That type of response works both ways your denial of allows you to define morals any way you want, and since reality is open season with morals, I can only assume everything else is to.

This attempted encapsulation of my stance is a strawman.

@kellyjay said
How evil avoids truth, all truth where convenient.

I don't see you presenting a "truth" that I must "avoid" and your definition of "evil" is ludicrous