Evil takes what is good and healthy and perverts it into evil, the
greater the good God gives the greater the evil is shown in rejecting
it and preventing it into something evil.
The inverse of evil, which is from God is taking what is evil, mankind,
and makes him good by giving man the righteousness of God, so
that man now has the righteousness of God, our ashes for God's
beauty.
So God through laying down His life on a cross, taking on all of the
debt our sinfulness has made away to be redeemed, through faith
in Jesus Christ, and many call that evil, the great good, man calls
in man's perversion a great evil, you must believe, so according to
man, that is evil, while the redeemed call it great mercy.
When we see God as He is, our lives will be laid out for all to see the
evil that is in us will be full bloom, and judgment will be rendered for
the evil man calls good, and the good man calls evil.
So when confronted with great goodness, man becomes eviler
in man's perversion by rejecting the greater good.
@ghost-of-a-duke saidWithout God there isn't any good or evil correct, there is nothing but indifference
Mankind without God (or gods) isn't evil.
This is the flaw that permeates most of your erroneous posting.
and personal preferences, so finding good or evil anywhere shows you something
that your point proves, there is God.
Posts like the OP are examples of the least helpful parts of Christian thought.
Instead of the more realistic view that humans are capable of doing both good and bad things, it takes the masochistic view that humans are all evil because they are not perfect.
This leaves no separation between the vast majority of humans that only commit minor wrongs, and the few who are actually evil.
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@kellyjay saidWithout Vishnu, there isn't good or evil.
Without God there isn't any good or evil correct, there is nothing but indifference
and personal preferences, so finding good or evil anywhere shows you something
that your point proves, there is God.
Finding good or evil anywhere shows that Vishnu exists.
Is that your reasoning?
@bigdogg saidit takes the masochistic view that humans are all evil because they are not perfect.
Posts like the OP are examples of the least helpful parts of Christian thought.
Instead of the more realistic view that humans are capable of doing both good and bad things, it takes the masochistic view that humans are all evil because they are not perfect.
This leaves no separation between the vast majority of humans that only commit minor wrongs, and the few who are actually evil.
You say that like it's a bad thing. 😏
@fmf saidYou are missing the point, in order to claim there is an up or down there has to be
Everyone is so evil they fully deserve never-ending vengeful punishment [misanthropy].
Christianity = misanthropy-+ narcissism
This won't happen to me because of specific thoughts I have in my head about myself and my God figure [narcissism].
a fixed reference point, good and evil also requires one. If there isn't a fixed
reference point for either then it doesn't matter what we call good and evil they
are, all the same, it's an opinion, it is whatever we want it to be. Good does not
require evil to exist, while evil does good, it isn't a yen and yang type of thing
one is an abomination of the other evil can only exist as it opposes good. God
is the ultimate good, with each good thing He does for us that we take and twist
to our own ends we turn His goodness into something evil. So when we come
face to face with God, it will be no different, His goodness will be on full display
as will our depravity, we will go no future into the Kingdom of God than we are
right now, where we make our choices. Your calling God's attempt at saving us
evil, simply shows where your heart is.
@bigdogg saidNothing about the OP suggests we are not capable of good deeds or thoughts, but
Posts like the OP are examples of the least helpful parts of Christian thought.
Instead of the more realistic view that humans are capable of doing both good and bad things, it takes the masochistic view that humans are all evil because they are not perfect.
This leaves no separation between the vast majority of humans that only commit minor wrongs, and the few who are actually evil.
like any job you do, partial obedience to what you are supposed to be doing is not
doing your job as you should. The standard isn't people who are sometimes good
and other times not, but One who is good all the time without exception.
@kellyjay saidNo. I am not "missing the point" at all.
You are missing the point, in order to claim there is an up or down there has to be
a fixed reference point, good and evil also requires one. If there isn't a fixed
reference point for either then it doesn't matter what we call good and evil they
are, all the same, it's an opinion, it is whatever we want it to be. Good does not
require evil to exist, while evil does good ...[text shortened]... e make our choices. Your calling God's attempt at saving us
evil, simply shows where your heart is.
If your life is one of "depravity" and "evil" and "abominations" ~ and "guilt" and "shame" ~ then so be it.
I call your outlook "misanthropic". Rather than "missing" the point, I think I am encapsulating it perfectly.
@kellyjay saidYou called mankind evil in the OP. I think that suggests that we are, at best, not capable of any good deeds that matter.
Nothing about the OP suggests we are not capable of good deeds or thoughts, but
like any job you do, partial obedience to what you are supposed to be doing is not
doing your job as you should. The standard isn't people who are sometimes good
and other times not, but One who is good all the time without exception.
Why shouldn't you get partial credit for partial obedience? If you miss half the questions on an exam, you get 50% credit. God gives you 0 for missing one.
@bigdogg saidNo, KellyJay’s version of Christianity is infinitely worse than a 100% pass benchmark, because everyone fails no matter what you do.
God gives you 0 for missing one.
What you have to do is accept that you have failed [are 100%] evil and you don’t even care that you are going to be expelled into hell, but somehow find it in you to beg the teacher for a pass. Only a “few” do this, the special ones, the “called” ones.
@fmf saidReally, you acknowledge that there is such a thing as depravity, and evil, that there
No. I am not "missing the point" at all.
If your life is one of "depravity" and "evil" and "abominations" ~ and "guilt" and "shame" ~ then so be it.
I call your outlook "misanthropic". Rather than "missing" the point, I think I am encapsulating it perfectly.
are abominations, these are realities you accept as true, not just that one has an
opinion of them?