Originally posted by robbie carrobieI'm not a native speaker of English, so please excuse me if I'm not as clear as I would like. Can you tell me what wasn't clear in my post?
look dude, never mind that, make with the readies and use plain language so that the thoughts are not lost in terminology and pretense of knowledge.
Originally posted by Bosse de Nageyep Sikhes are into it as well, i do not deny. for example there was a case in Glasgow. not far from where i was living where a lady got decapitated at here door because of a family dishonour, she was married to a divorced man and his former wife believed that her sons would be disinherited. however it does not negate the plain truth that the majority are carried out by those of an Islamic background , no siree
Why does it have to be in the UK?
Anyway, here's a story about a British Sikh granny killing her daughter-in-law to defend the family honour: http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Honour_killing_by_UK_Sikh_family/articleshow/2384202.cms
Granted, the murder was carried out while the family was on holiday in India -- but that's beside the point, I'm sure you'll agree.
Originally posted by robbie carrobieWhy did you ask for examples of non-Muslim honour killings when you already knew of some?
yep Sikhes are into it as well, i do not deny. for example there was a case in Glasgow. not far from where i was living where a lady got decapitated at here door because of a family dishonour, she was married to a divorced man and his former wife believed that her sons would be disinherited. however it does not negate the plain truth that the majority are carried out by those of an Islamic background , no siree
Originally posted by Bosse de Nageright your out, two strikes are your out my friend, i gave you a chance before when i asked if you would refrain from insults, you have ignored it, you are out my friend, cya
Which word was too big for you? Religion? Specific?
What did you do in Pakistan?
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Originally posted by Palynkayes explain these terms, 'that something is culture-specific does not imply that it is religion-specific'. i have an idea but i do not want to assume anything.
I'm not a native speaker of English, so please excuse me if I'm not as clear as I would like. Can you tell me what wasn't clear in my post?
Originally posted by robbie carrobieIt's normally three strikes ...
right your out, two strikes are your out my friend, i gave you a chance before when i asked if you would refrain from insults, you have ignored it, you are out my friend, cya
You said the post was too complicated; those words are the two longest ones in it. And since you obviously do understand them, it seems to me you're just making an excuse to dodge the issue.
Originally posted by Bosse de Nagealright, ill let you off, but one more insult and you're out. i have dodged nothing, on the contrary you have actually confirmed my believe that this is although not specifically an Islamic cultural phenomena, but primarily one. interesting avatar you have, looks like the Chinese execution, death by a thousand cuts.
It's normally three strikes ...
You said the post was too complicated; those words are the two longest ones in it. And since you obviously do understand them, it seems to me you're just making an excuse to dodge the issue.
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Originally posted by robbie carrobieFine.
alright, ill let you off, but one more insult and you're out. i have dodged nothing, on the contrary you have actually confirmed my believe that this is although not specifically an Islamic cultural phenomena, but primarily one. interesting avatar you have, looks like the Chinese execution, death by a thousand cuts.
Why did you ask for examples of non Muslim honour killings in the UK when you already knew of some?
It'd be more accurate to speak of the cultures themselves rather than religions. For example, honour killing has been practised by Christian and Muslim Palestinians. So you can see that (in Palestine) it's a Palestinian cultural phenomenon first and a Muslim/Christian one second.
If it was a pan-Islamic thing, it would occur where I live; but it isn't, so it doesn't.
One thing that 'honour killing cultures' do have in common is a strong patriarchal bias. What do you make of that?
My profile picture does show death by a thousand cuts; well spotted.
Originally posted by Bosse de Nageactually i thought that if i could establish that if there was no non Islamic honour killings in the UK then it would prove that it was essentially an Islamic cultural happening, but quite clearly from your attestation and evidence this is not the case and actually i knew i was on a hiding to nothing from the start but i pursued it anyway, kind of like knowing you are in losing position but play on in the hope that your adversary will make a mistake and we can capitalise on it. why is it predominately in a patriarchal society, i dunno, any ideas? it may be an Eastern phenomena, because to western sensitivities is appears quite abhorrent, although i cannot rule out such things entirely, perhaps you can shed some light on this as well.
Fine.
Why did you ask for examples of non Muslim honour killings in the UK when you already knew of some?
It'd be more accurate to speak of the cultures themselves rather than religions. For example, honour killing has been practised by Christian and Muslim Palestinians. So you can see that (in Palestine) it's a Palestinian cultural phenomenon f ...[text shortened]... you make of that?
My profile picture does show death by a thousand cuts; well spotted.
death by a thousand cuts, is this still practised, or is it reserved for specific crimes of a particularly heinous nature?
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Originally posted by robbie carrobieWell, that's very candid. Were you more interested in 'beating' me than establishing the truth?
actually i thought that if i could establish that if there was no non Islamic honour killings in the UK then it would prove that it was essentially an Islamic cultural happening, but quite clearly from your attestation and evidence this is not the case and actually i knew i was on a hiding to nothing from the start but i pursued it anyway, kind of li ...[text shortened]... on but play on in the hope that your adversary will make a mistake and we can capitalise on it.
The patriarchal cultures still have the same attitudes towards women that once prevailed in the West but supposedly don't anymore (see the mediaeval ballad 'Bruton Town' for an old English honour killing); they're stuck with a misogynistic code that values honour above the lives of women. This situation is described quite well here:
http://www.caircan.ca/oped_more.php?id=2212_0_10_0_C
Equal rights in the West coincided with the passing away of religion as an effective force; coincidence?
Death by a thousand cuts hasn't been executed in about a century.
Originally posted by Bosse de Nageno i was just totally unprepared to be challenged, and when it came i had to resort to something! you know how it is, actually i think there was a misunderstanding at the start, because i do not recall stating that honour killings were an Islamic doctrine, just that they appeared to me to be endemic to the society that i used to live in. as for winning an argument, its bound to fail because it is wrongly motivated, truth is more potent and able to transcend mere egotistically asserted statements, this has been my experience.
Well, that's very candid. Were you more interested in 'beating' me than establishing the truth?
The patriarchal cultures still have the same attitudes towards women that once prevailed in the West but supposedly don't anymore (see the mediaeval ballad 'Bruton Town' for an old English honour killing); they're stuck with a misogynistic code that value ...[text shortened]... force; coincidence?
Death by a thousand cuts hasn't been executed in about a century.
as for equal rights and the passing of religion as an effective force, you could argue of course the converse is true also, for example what about the equal rights of an unborn child, and the millions of abortions which have taken place.
why have you got this image on your avatar, what is its significance!