Taliban sinks to new low, cruelty on new level.

Originally posted by ahosyney
Can you fill out the dots , or the source you copied this sub-verses didn't include them? This is the 3rd time I see the same style of cuting of verses. Talking things out of their context. I bad for of brain-washing.

When you want to present something do it complete or do not do it at all!!!!

when you talked about equity between man and woman:

You ...[text shortened]...
So this thread doesn't mean anything except a sick heart want to express his illness.

you can say what you like i have neither misreprecented not taken anything out of context, i have even spoken to many muslims on this issue, the koran clearly gives a pretext for beating ones wife, like it or not! you talk about islamic law, what about the practiuse of halala - in which a women, if divorced must go and marry someone else, have sexual intercourse with them, until they are fit to return to their former husband, the one who divorced them in the first please - equality, please who are you trying to fool?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikah_Halala

and while we are here what about muta, or so called temporary marraige which is nothing short of legalistic prostitution, yes it is inherent to shias, but they are also muslim, so please enough of your pretensions to equality.

probably the worst portrayal is that of islamic heaven, in which a man is promised to be attended upon by 70, fair large breasted women, appealing i know, but hardly equal, whats in it for the women?

as to the rest of your post with regard to Christ and his subsequent non death, it really betrays how much you know of the Torah, the zeebor and the anjil, (law of Moses, psalms and gospel), holy books which your own religion states you should show reverence for, and please no more nonsense about the scriptures being changed, no one can change the decrees of god as is stated in the Koran itself - the Islamic faith was born in violence and continues to perpetrate violence to this very day, why? because they like the Jews do not have the concept of forgiveness as do the Christians, the real ones at least, for there is a terrible tendency in Islam towards vengeance and reprisal, thus the violence continues! in communities and internationally - deny if you will!

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
you can say what you like i have neither misreprecented not taken anything out of context, i have even spoken to many muslims on this issue, the koran clearly gives a pretext for beating ones wife, like it or not! you talk about islamic law, what about the practiuse of halala - in which a women, if divorced must go and marry someone else, have sexua ...[text shortened]... nd reprisal, thus the violence continues! in communities and internationally - deny if you will!

How can I talk to someone who don't understand what he is talking about?

Any one who do simple research in the nonsense you presented in this post will understand that you are very brain-washed against Islam, and who ever teaches you is a very smart person, he did a good job!!!


What you are talking about is totally forbidden in Islam and who ever do it is committing adultery as stated by Islamic law. Who ever told you that is the one who fooled you?


I you want to learn about Islam I can teach you, but you have to forget about that rubbish!!!

and please no more nonsense about the scriptures being changed, no one can change the decrees of god as is stated in the Koran itself -

I don't remember talking about scriptures being changed. So I assume that your source of information gave you a sequence of replies to use when ever you talk to a Muslim. And you follow that blindly without thinking.

I don't think you know anything about the history of your Bible. If you did some research you will clearly understand this simple truth: The Bible in your hand has nothing to do with the word of GOD

Originally posted by black beetle
Hey Ahosyney pal,

while you enjoy your conversation with robbie concerning religious issues regarding these two Abrahamic religions, Islam and Christianity, lets get a bit real and back in track;

What do you think of the Nigerian women and girls that still end up stoned to death by Muslims?

Do you agree with the reaction of the Muslims against ...[text shortened]... ?

What do you think about the circumstances under which Van Gogh was murdered in Amsterdamn?

What do you know about the stoning punishment in Islam?

To make the question more clear I will wait for the following information:

What is the crime that requires stone?

What are the conditions required to accuse someone of this crime?

Who should be stone?

Is this punishment for women/girls only?
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If you don't know the answers to these questions then go do some search and may be you will understand something different!!!


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Do you agree with the reaction of the Muslims against Denmark everywhere after the incident of Feb. 2006 regarding the drawing cartoons published by Jyllands-Posten?

What exactly Muslim did and you don't like?

Muslims are free to express their anger as much as you think someone is free to insult their faith.

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And I don't know why Van Gogh was murdered!!! And I don't know who killed him!!

Originally posted by ahosyney
How can I talk to someone who don't understand what he is talking about?

Any one who do simple research in the nonsense you presented in this post will understand that you are very brain-washed against Islam, and who ever teaches you is a very smart person, he did a good job!!!


What you are talking about is totally forbidden in Islam and who ever do ...[text shortened]... tand this simple truth: [b] The Bible in your hand has nothing to do with the word of GOD[/b]

sorry i myself do not do personal attacks when i have nothing of substance to post, either answer the points raised or waste someone else time.

Originally posted by ahosyney
What do you know about the stoning punishment in Islam?

To make the question more clear I will wait for the following information:

What is the crime that requires stone?

What are the conditions required to accuse someone of this crime?

Who should be stone?

Is this punishment for women/girls only?
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If you don't know the answers to the ...[text shortened]... ---------

And I don't know why Van Gogh was murdered!!! And I don't know who killed him!!

The specific "crime" is adultery, and I am aware of the fact that this punishment is used for another kind of crimes; so what?
To be frank I don't give a fig for the tits and tats of the so called "conditions required to accuse someone of this crime" since the "law" is Sharia. As a free European citizen I am quite happy that I have the right to be judged by secular courts and not by a flock of religionists which they constantly are living in the past. Law must be above religions, however Sharia courts impose strict Islamic laws, including floggings and amputations for crimes like theft. So Sharia "courts" are no courts at all, because the "holy members" of their synhtesis are aware of the principals of the Law as much as the pigs are aware of the principals of the Fine Arts.

Regarding the cartoons issue: in the period between September 2005 (the period at which Jyllands-Posten has published 12 comics in which Prophet Mohhamed was portrayed) and December 2005, a team of two exiled imams (who they lived in Denmark after the govenment of this country had offered them an asylum because earlier they had fled from their home countries!), they travelled to Egypt and they forwarded extreme lies by means of fabricated pieces of information (three more comics, which they were not part of the original Jyllands-Posten' publication, and false accusations regarding mistreatment of Muslims by the Danish government along with "prooves" that Jyllands-Posten was in close cooperation with the Danish goverment). These fabricated by the imams three comics would be realy offensive and particularly one of them in case the person portrayed on it was really the Prophet, as the imams strongly claimed; however the most offensive of the three was sent through fax and it was a photo of a French citizen who was wearing a mask of a pig while he had a good time paricipating at an open traditional party somewhere in France, in an event that had nothing to do with Islam anyway!). This exact "comic" was used carefully by the imams in order to cause havoc, and finally, five months after the day of the publishing (of the 12 comics) in Jyllands-Posten, the religionist Muslims in Pakistan, Indonesia etc started to burn down the Danish embassies and all that jazz. A Pakistani imam offered too reward of $1.000.000 for the head of the comic designer -all that money just for a murder. Where from that imam would raise this amount of money? And, if he could really raise it, why he prefered to spend it fo a murder instead of helping out some of the millions of Pakistanis which they starve to death or they are homeless due to earthquakes etc.?
So, ahosyney, spare me your big time BS regarding "the right of the Muslims to express their anger as much as I think that someone is fre to insult their faith".

And, finally, you do not know why Van Gogh was murdered. Well I 'm not surprised.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
naturally you cannot find any pretext for violence in the teachings of Christ, therefore you must attack something else that Christians hold to be sacred, the bible, i do not blame you it was an impossible task and quite predictable, however of necessity we must take your silence as admittance that there is no pretext for violence within the teaching ...[text shortened]... ans but something else, for a christian is quite simply one who follows the teachings of Christ.

You are quite correct that I do not know of any teachings of Christ that explicitly encourage violence. He seems to have been something of a pacifist. What I do notice however is that he shied away from every openly stating such a position in no uncertain terms. He was careful never to outright contradict Jewish law. For example when presented with the legal stoning of a woman, he never said 'it is wrong' or 'God does not condone this'.

as to the violence perpetrated in the bible i have nothing to say other than it was perpetrated by Jews and i will make no attempt to justify it, no siree.
Of course you have nothing to say, because you know that the record is terrible. What is sad is that Jesus too had nothing to say.
Will you at least do better than Jesus and condemn the acts of the Jews in the Old Testament and admit that many of the laws that supposedly came from God in the old Testament are detestable?

You are also wrong to think that the religion of Christianity consists of people who follow the teachings of Christ. It might be how you define yourself, or what you wish of others, but it is most certainly not what is reality.

Originally posted by twhitehead
You are quite correct that I do not know of any teachings of Christ that explicitly encourage violence. He seems to have been something of a pacifist. What I do notice however is that he shied away from every openly stating such a position in no uncertain terms. He was careful never to outright contradict Jewish law. For example when presented with the le u define yourself, or what you wish of others, but it is most certainly not what is reality.

actually i can justify the violence of the Jews in the scriptures, no problemo, but i do not think that you would either accept the reasons nor the grounds on which they are substantiated, and they seem no more terrible than many acts of violence perpetrated in the last two millennia. As to the point with regard to Christians and Christ i have consistently stated on the forum that the two are not synonymous, the teachings of Christ are one thing, the actions of Christians quite another, therefore we are in complete agreement on this point, they cannot be Christians because the simply do not follow the teachings of Christ, no matter what they claim. what about the teachings of the Koran and the practices of this, is it not quite clear that there is a total and complete and utter pretext for violence? they may mask it in the guise of self defense or some other absurdity, but in practise this is entirely different, my wifes country, Pakistan is an abomination on the face of the earth, full of liars and hypocrites, extortioners and corruption, Muslim killing Muslims, Christian colonies being torn down by bulldozers, bombings and suicide bombers, aid workers being killed, and the sadness is that ordinary people are caught up in this, this so called Pak (clean) stan (land). my goodness you don't see refugees flocking to predominately Muslim governments do we, no they always head for a predominately Christian or secular country, why, because there is at least some toleration, you try taking even a bible into Saudi Arabia never mind building a church, yet on the other hand Muslims are relatively free to do this in the west as you have attested, so please consider the evidence for yourself, honour killings, brothers killing their sisters for some dishonour brought upon his family, its sick, truly a sick religion and in almost every country where it manifests itself there is war and violence, innocent people being killed!

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
my goodness you don't see refugees flocking to predominately Muslim governments do we, no they always head for a predominately Christian or secular country

A great many Iraqis living in Jordan would politely point out that you're talking rubbish.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
so please consider the evidence for yourself, honour killings, brothers killing their sisters for some dishonour brought upon his family, its sick, truly a sick religion and in almost every country where it manifests itself there is war and violence, innocent people being killed!

Is there any country without violence?

As for honour killing, be so kind as to point out where it's sanctioned in the Koran.

I remember the first time you showed up on this site, you were spouting Islamophobic guff -- you've managed to keep a lid on it so far, but the handle's coming off. But no doubt you have your reasons -- like sonhouse with his traumatic experiences in Israel. Is it something to do with your wife?

Originally posted by Bosse de Nage
Is there any country without violence?

As for honour killing, be so kind as to point out where it's sanctioned in the Koran.

I remember the first time you showed up on this site, you were spouting Islamophobic guff -- you've managed to keep a lid on it so far, but the handle's coming off. But no doubt you have your reasons -- like sonhouse with his traumatic experiences in Israel. Is it something to do with your wife?

what do you know about it?

Originally posted by Bosse de Nage
Is there any country without violence?

As for honour killing, be so kind as to point out where it's sanctioned in the Koran.

I remember the first time you showed up on this site, you were spouting Islamophobic guff -- you've managed to keep a lid on it so far, but the handle's coming off. But no doubt you have your reasons -- like sonhouse with his traumatic experiences in Israel. Is it something to do with your wife?

who said anything about it being sanctioned in the Koran, if you have ever lived in an Islamic country, you know its a fact of life, but hey what would you know about that?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
what do you know about it?

Know about what?

Originally posted by Bosse de Nage
Know about what?

exactly my point!

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
who said anything about it being sanctioned in the Koran, if you have ever lived in an Islamic country, you know its a fact of life, but hey what would you know about that?

If it's not sanctioned by the Koran, then it's not an Islamic practice, whether or not the people doing it think they are being good Muslims or not. In fact, honour killing predates Islam; nor is it confined to Muslims.

Saying that honour-killing must be an Islamic doctrine because it occurs in (some) Muslim countries is like saying that alcohol and porn are fundamental Christian tenets because they are found all over Christian countries. The sad thing is that some Muslims do think the same way.

My province has a very large Muslim population, but honour killing is unheard of. Then again, education levels are quite a lot higher than in Pakistan. Who knows, there might be a connection between those two things ...

So you've lived in Pakistan or somewhere like it?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
exactly my point!

I asked you a question; you answered with a question that didn't make sense. If your point is that you're an idiot, well, I'm not ready to agree yet, but I'm leaning towards that conclusion.

My question was does your problem with Islam have something to do with your wife. Yes? No? No comment?

I take it you concede that your 'point' about all Muslim emigrants going straight for Christian countries is pants.