4 edits
Originally posted by @romans1009Nowhere in your post do you cite any passages where Jesus actually claimed to be God. Not one. Asking a wall of questions does not a cogent argument make.
LOL. You can’t explain any of those points I raised because they utterly refute your false doctrine that Jesus was just a man.
Let’s start with five questions, and if you answer these, I’ll continue with more:
1) What do you think Jesus meant when He said He came down from heaven?
2) What do you think Jesus meant when He said, “Verily, verily, I ...[text shortened]... hall see the Son of man sitting on the right hand of power, and coming in the clouds of heaven.”
Once again, if you believe that you can make a cogent argument that Jesus claimed to be God while He walked the Earth, then make it already. Actually make a case by citing passages where while He walked the Earth, Jesus actually made that claim. Actually make a cogent argument using those passages.
Plainly make your best case. You refuse because you can't actually cite any passages where Jesus actually claimed to be God while He walked the Earth.
1 edit
Originally posted by @thinkofoneYou routinely insult people by claiming they have a 5-year-old’s logic and Sunday school understanding of the Scriptures, and because Jesus didn’t say the exact words, “I am God,” you dismiss all His statements of deity, however thinly veiled, and all the Gospel writers who bore witness to His miracles and Resurrection.
Nowhere in your post do you cite any passages where Jesus actually claimed to be God. Not one. Asking a wall of questions does not a cogent argument make.
Once again, if you believe that you can make a cogent argument that Jesus claimed to be God while He walked the Earth, then make it already. Actually make a case by citing passages where while He w ...[text shortened]... n't actually cite any passages where Jesus actually claimed to be God while He walked the Earth.
So I guess your insults are really projection, no?
2 edits
Originally posted by @romans1009I advocate for the gospel preached by Jesus during His ministry. That gospel is largely about there being a right way to live that is required for "eternal life" / for "living in the Kingdom". It's about taking responsibility for oneself and the well-being of ones fellow human beings. It's a gospel for adults. It's not about "miracles" and man exists to serve the will of God.
You routinely insult people by claiming they have a 5-year-old’s logic and Sunday school understanding of the Scriptures, and because Jesus didn’t say the exact words, “I am God,” you dismiss all His statements of deity, however thinly veiled, and all the Gospel writers who bore witness to His miracles and Resurrection.
So I guess your insults are really projection, no?
You advocate for a different gospel. That gospel is largely about "miracles" and God existing to serve those who believe in that gospel. It's a "Sunday School" gospel.
7 edits
Originally posted by @romans1009It is clear that the words of the Bible actually mean nothing to ThinkOfOne. Pointing out what is written there doesn't mean anything to him.
You routinely insult people by claiming they have a 5-year-old’s logic and Sunday school understanding of the Scriptures, and because Jesus didn’t say the exact words, “I am God,” you dismiss all His statements of deity, however thinly veiled, and all the Gospel writers who bore witness to His miracles and Resurrection.
So I guess your insults are really projection, no?
Its a strange phenomenon. Sometimes it seems he is himself appealing to what is written. I'm pretty convinced that even then it really means nothing to him.
His opinion, that is the ultimate authority.
Look at the story of story in Jeremiah how King Jehoiakim reacted to the scroll of the prophet Jeremiah.
That story is one of a number of indications of how contemptuously man can regard the speaking of God. Piece by piece, he took his knife and cut the scroll up and piece by piece tossed it into the fire.
In detailed, precise, and finely calibrated splicing and unbelieving rejection his uttermost contempt of God's word was demonstrated. And so his heart was also. Piece by piece, not a word, not a syllable had any place in his heart.
Read it in Jeremiah 36:1-32 including this part.
"Then the king sent Jehudi to get the scroll, ... And Jehudi read it in the ears of the king and in the ears of all the princes who stood by the king.
Now the king was sitting in the winter house in the ninth month, and the fire of he brazier was before him. And as Jehudi would read three or four columns, the king would cut it with a scribe's knife and throw the pieces into the fire ... until the whole scroll was consumed in the fire which was in the brazier." (Jer. 36:21,23)
Pointing out what the Bible says is a waste of time on him, even if he seems to request it.
Originally posted by @sonshipInstead of just issuing ad homs, make a cogent argument.
It is clear that the words of the Bible actually mean nothing to ThinkOfOne. Pointing out what is written there doesn't mean anything to him.
Its a strange phenomenon. Sometimes it seems he is himself appealing to what is written. I'm pretty convinced that even then it really means nothing to him.
His opinion, that is the ultimate authority.
Loo ...[text shortened]... ]
Pointing out what the Bible says is a waste of time on him, even if he seems to request it.
I'll issue you the same challenge that I did Romans:
If you believe that you can make a cogent argument that Jesus claimed to be God while He walked the Earth, then make it. Actually make a case by citing passages where while He walked the Earth, Jesus actually made that claim. Actually make a cogent argument using those passages.
Originally posted by @thinkofoneI’ve cited several of those passages here and more than a dozen in another thread. You choose not to believe.
Instead of just issuing ad homs, make a cogent argument.
I'll issue you the same challenge that I did Romans:
If you believe that you can make a cogent argument that Jesus claimed to be God while He walked the Earth, then make it. Actually make a case by citing passages where while He walked the Earth, Jesus actually made that claim. Actually make a cogent argument using those passages.
You only believe the parts of the Bible that do not speak of Jesus being God because you believe a false doctrine. You ignore dozens of questions that you can’t answer because they reveal your “Jesus was just a man” doctrine is false. You are no better than the Pharisees, who thought they were justified by the law and who denied Jesus was the Son of God and had Him put to death for blasphemy. You’re just a modern day Pharisee.
It’s really sad. You cite words from the Apostle John when they suit your purposes but ignore the opening chapter of John’s Gospel where he clearly says Jesus is God.
You ignore Jesus’ own statements where He said He came down from heaven and identified Himself as God.
Your doctrine is a convoluted, false and blasphemous mess.
Sad!
Originally posted by @thinkofoneYou’re bearing false witness against me and (again) misrepresenting what I have said and believe, proving that you can’t stop sinning, even in the forum of a chess website.
I advocate for the gospel preached by Jesus during His ministry. That gospel is largely about there being a right way to live that is required for "eternal life" / for "living in the Kingdom". It's about taking responsibility for oneself and the well-being of ones fellow human beings. It's a gospel for adults. It's not about "miracles" and man exists to ...[text shortened]... cles" and God existing to serve those who believe in that gospel. It's a "Sunday School" gospel.
Good luck trying to justify yourself before God and make yourself righteous.
1 edit
Originally posted by @thinkofoneThinkOfOne, I am not the least bit impressed with you impassioned appeal to cogent arguments from Scripture.
Instead of just issuing ad homs, make a cogent argument.
I'll issue you the same challenge that I did Romans:
If you believe that you can make a cogent argument that Jesus claimed to be God while He walked the Earth, then make it. Actually make a case by citing passages where while He walked the Earth, Jesus actually made that claim. Actually make a cogent argument using those passages.
I have seen how you react to reasoning from the Scriptures.
The obstacles to your believing Christ is the Son of God really do not lie in the words of the New Testament.
The obstacles are in your own mind, conscience, and what your heart wants for itself.
1 edit
Originally posted by @sonshipThe obstacles to your believing Christ is the Son of God really do not lie in the words of the New Testament.
ThinkOfOne, I am not the least bit impressed with you impassioned appeal to cogent arguments from Scripture.
I have seen how you react to reasoning from the Scriptures.
The obstacles to your believing Christ is the Son of God really do not lie in the words of the New Testament.
The obstacles are in your own mind, conscience, and what your heart wants for itself.
There are none wherein Jesus actually identifies Himself as God. Wherein Jesus claims to be literally God.
Yes, He claims to be "son of God". But He calls for His followers to become "sons of God" as He is a son of God (Matthew 5:9).
Yes, He claims to be "one" with God. But He calls for His followers to become "one" with God as He is "one" with God (John 17:20-23)
Do you believe that His followers that do so are also literally God?
2 edits
Originally posted by @thinkofoneI have been writing about deification as an aspect of God's full salvation on other threads - what it is and what it is not.
[b]The obstacles to your believing Christ is the Son of God really do not lie in the words of the New Testament.
There are none wherein Jesus actually identifies Himself as God. Wherein Jesus claims to be literally God.
Yes, He claims to be "son of God". But He calls for His followers to become "sons of God" as He is a son of God (Matthew 5:9 ...[text shortened]... ith God (John 17:20-23)
Do you believe that His followers that do so are also literally God?[/b]
Yes, the sons of God are God dispensed into the sons.
Your example doesn't stump me.
And it forms no handy excuse to argue that Christ did not claim to be the "I AM" , the God Who appeared to Moses from the burning bush in Exodus 3, the God Who was before Abraham came into being.
2 edits
Originally posted by @sonshipAnd it forms no handy excuse to argue that Christ did not claim to be the "I AM", the God Who appeared to Moses from the burning bush in Exodus 3, the God Who was before Abraham came into being.
I have been writing about deification as an aspect of God's full salvation on other threads - what it is and what it is not.
Yes, the sons of God are God dispensed into the sons.
Your example doesn't stump me.
And it forms no handy excuse to argue that Christ did not claim to be the [b]"I AM" , the God Who appeared to Moses from the burning bush in Exodus 3, the God Who was before Abraham came into being.[/b]
The phrase, "Ego Emi" was not reserved for the name of God. It was a common phrase used throughout the New Testament and was used by those other than Jesus. But if you think Jesus was claiming literally to be God by uttering that phrase, then make your best case. Cite the passage and make a cogent argument.
Originally posted by @thinkofoneI’m convinced you’re just trolling. You’ve ignored and refused to answer so many questions that I can arrive at no other conclusion.
[b]And it forms no handy excuse to argue that Christ did not claim to be the "I AM", the God Who appeared to Moses from the burning bush in Exodus 3, the God Who was before Abraham came into being.
The phrase, "Ego Emi" was not reserved for the name of God. It was a common phrase used throughout the New Testament and was used by those other than J ...[text shortened]... by uttering that phrase, then make your best case. Cite the passage and make a cogent argument.[/b]
My guess is you’re an atheist posing as a Christ follower to troll Christians. If you were serious, you would have answered (or attempted to answer) the numerous questions I and other Christians have asked you.
Instead, you just respond with petty insults and claim passages that you ignore don’t exist.
Bad (or sick) guy!
3 edits
Originally posted by @thinkofone"Before Abraham was I AM".
[b]And it forms no handy excuse to argue that Christ did not claim to be the "I AM", the God Who appeared to Moses from the burning bush in Exodus 3, the God Who was before Abraham came into being.
The phrase, "Ego Emi" was not reserved for the name of God. It was a common phrase used throughout the New Testament and was used by those other than J ...[text shortened]... by uttering that phrase, then make your best case. Cite the passage and make a cogent argument.[/b]
Show us another New Testament instance when the usage of the phrase "I Am" instantly provoked a stoning for blasphemy.
If you're clueless as to what Jesus meant, the Jews in John 8:59 weren't.
- Joined
- 01 Oct 04
- Moves
- 12095
2 edits
Originally posted by @thinkofoneIf Jesus is just another human being, why take anything he says seriously? All other religions have regular people propagating their religion. Why ignore what they have to say? Sorry bro you’re not making any sense.
I advocate for the gospel preached by Jesus during His ministry. That gospel is largely about there being a right way to live that is required for "eternal life" / for "living in the Kingdom". It's about taking responsibility for oneself and the well-being of ones fellow human beings. It's a gospel for adults. It's not about "miracles" and man exists to ...[text shortened]... cles" and God existing to serve those who believe in that gospel. It's a "Sunday School" gospel.