Originally posted by telerionAre you telling me that the bible condones incest.....you sick bastered...
Some Creationists here I believe have told me that Cain fooled around with his sisters. Since there were super-genes at the time (that's how we managed so much diversity after reducing all unclean populations to a single mating pair as well as all the different races from just Ham, Shem, and Japeth.), inbreeding was no problem.
Even at the time of Lot and his daughters super-genes were in action.
Originally posted by gharguthThe Bible is pretty inconsistent on a lot of things. Several Creationists here have told me that while many of the things done in the Old Testament (e.g., sexual slavery, infanticide, polygamy, incest, genocide) are wrong today, times were different then. These actions were commonplace, and this mitigated their "badness." Nobody should interpret this though as meaning that morality is time-dependent. That would be relative morality. Morals are absolute . . . sometimes.
Are you telling me that the bible condones incest.....you sick bastered...
Originally posted by scottishinnzI've just begun Richard Dawkin's book, The Ancestor's Tale. The next section is about "Eve." So far the book has been very interesting (written for laymen), and I look forward to learning a bit more on this matter.
I actually read the book last year called, amazingly, "the seven daughters of eve".
It is absolute, rock solid, fact. Mitochondria are not genetically encoded, but are passed down through your mothers eggs. This means your mitochondria are genetically identical to you mothers. Your mitochondria contain DNA, which can be sequenced. This can be traced back to the last "mother" of yours or mine that had a minimum of two children.
Based solely on the mitochondrail DNA work, is there a way to estimate the date that this earliest female lived, or is there no way to calculate generations? My guess is no, but I don't know the particulars about how mitochondrial DNA testing works. Could a Flood literalist claim that this "Eve" is really Noah's wife (ignoring all the other problems with the Flood), or is there information within the mitochondrial DNA testing that would refute their idea?
Originally posted by telerionOh yes. Of course, the seven women referred to in the title are not related, - if they had the same mother the DNA in their mitochondria would be identical. They are able to calculate roughly when the 7 women lived, and where. It's quite a wide geogrpahical spread, over thousands of years. No way is this tied into the flood story!
I've just begun Richard Dawkin's book, The Ancestor's Tale. The next section is about "Eve." So far the book has been very interesting (written for laymen), and I look forward to learning a bit more on this matter.
Based solely on the mitochondrail DNA work, is there a way to estimate the date that this earliest female lived, or is there no way ...[text shortened]... is there information within the mitochondrial DNA testing that would refute their idea?
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Originally posted by teleriontrace it back far enough you will find a female ProConsul the grandmomma of all us great apes.
I've just begun Richard Dawkin's book, The Ancestor's Tale. The next section is about "Eve." So far the book has been very interesting (written for laymen), and I look forward to learning a bit more on this matter.
Based solely on the mitochondrail DNA work, is there a way to estimate the date that this earliest female lived, or is there no way is there information within the mitochondrial DNA testing that would refute their idea?
Originally posted by scottishinnzHmm, I guess Bryson has led me the wrong way for once. Check out "A Short History of Nearly Everything" page 558.
I actually read the book last year called, amazingly, "the seven daughters of eve".
It is absolute, rock solid, fact. Mitochondria are not genetically encoded, but are passed down through your mothers eggs. This means your mitochondria are genetically identical to you mothers. Your mitochondria contain DNA, which can be sequenced. This can be traced back to the last "mother" of yours or mine that had a minimum of two children.
"When I asked [Rosalind] Harding about the [Seven Daughter's of Eve] book she ... [said] 'Well I suppose you must give him some credit for helping popularize a difficult subject, ... and there remains the remote possibility that he's right.' She laughed, then went on more intently: 'Data from any single gene cannot really tell you anything so definitive. If you follow the mitochondrial DNA backwards, it will take you to a certain place - to an Ursula or Tara or whatever. But if you take any other bit of DNA, any gene at all, and it back, it will take you someplace else altogether.'"
And it goes on. And Bryson is normally good as what he claims to be (a layman investigating complex topics in a broad manner).
Originally posted by scottishinnzHmm. Mitochondria are circular bodies od DNA similar to the plasmids in eukaryotes. They code for some of the most basic cell processes. The are inherited from the maternal parent and are not subject to recombination. Mutation rates are difficult to calculate accuately but the mutation rate of mitochondrial (and chloroplast in plants) DNA is widely used to estimate the time of speciation..
I actually read the book last year called, amazingly, "the seven daughters of eve".
It is absolute, rock solid, fact. Mitochondria are not genetically encoded, but are passed down through your mothers eggs. This means your mitochondria are genetically identical to you mothers. Your mitochondria contain DNA, which can be sequenced. This can be traced back to the last "mother" of yours or mine that had a minimum of two children.
Originally posted by gharguthSo you agree with others that God demonstrated to us the unique, absolute moral standard when he called two she-bears to rip a bunch of children apart for calling Elisha bald?
Oh! don't misunderstand me, I think the Bible is without error when it concerns matters of faith and morals....so were did Cains wife come from???
Do you believe that the behavior of the Israelites as they obeyed God's commands throughout Deuteronomy reveals to us how we should behave?
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Originally posted by telerionWell, maybe those were examples of how not to behave...man has the uncanny ability to misinterpret God's wishes and use them for their own gain...It's obvious that Elisha had inferiority complex of some sort and used his influence to justify killing...How do feel when someone calls you a clown? Clown.
So you agree with others that God demonstrated to us the unique, absolute moral standard when he called two she-bears to rip a bunch of children apart for calling Elisha bald?
Do you believe that the behavior of the Israelites as they obeyed God's commands throughout Deuteronomy reveals to us how we should behave?