Originally posted by UmbrageOfSnowyou make some good points here.
I'm not trying to surprise you, just to express my disgust with this point of your religion.
Please explain why a person who spends his life saving the lives of thousands of children should be eteranally damned to hell if he happens to believe in the wrong god or just do it out of love for his fellow man, and yet a man who wastes his life and neve ...[text shortened]... about how much people stoke his infinite ego than about the humanity he supposedly would love.
Originally posted by UmbrageOfSnowWhy should innocent babies who die of SIDS before they are baptized go to hell, while a child molester who repents once he is too old to get it up anymore go to heaven?
I'm not trying to surprise you, just to express my disgust with this point of your religion.
Please explain why a person who spends his life saving the lives of thousands of children should be eteranally damned to hell if he happens to believe in the wrong god or just do it out of love for his fellow man, and yet a man who wastes his life and neve ...[text shortened]... about how much people stoke his infinite ego than about the humanity he supposedly would love.
Plurium interrogationum. You are assuming that innocent babies do indeed go to hell. I strongly disagree.
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Originally posted by windmillOnce again, you are assuming an unbeliever who lives a life of virtue to be relegated by default to the dungeons of hell.
for a person who does not believe in the Lord but spends their life helping others to go to Hell and another who don't do much but believes in the Lord to spend eternity in heaven does sound rather stupid?
Originally posted by Halitosehttp://www.catholic.com/thisrock/2005/0502fea5.asp
[b]Why should innocent babies who die of SIDS before they are baptized go to hell, while a child molester who repents once he is too old to get it up anymore go to heaven?
Plurium interrogationum. You are assuming that innocent babies do indeed go to hell. I strongly disagree.[/b]
" Baptism is neccesary for salvation"
Also try taking a look at John 3:5 and Luke 18:15.
Originally posted by UmbrageOfSnowBaptism is merely an external symbol of internal regeneration. I do not agree that baptism is a neccesary condition for salvation. Here are some verses that say nothing about baptism:
http://www.catholic.com/thisrock/2005/0502fea5.asp
"[b] Baptism is neccesary for salvation"
Also try taking a look at John 3:5 and Luke 18:15.[/b]
Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Rom 10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
Your second verse doesn't make sense - Luke 18:16 makes my point though:
Luk 18:16 But Jesus called them unto him, and said, Suffer little children to come unto me, and forbid them not: for of such is the kingdom of God.
Originally posted by HalitoseMatthew 7:21: 21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father who is in heaven.
Baptism is merely an external symbol of internal regeneration. I do not agree that baptism is a neccesary condition for salvation. Here are some verses that say nothing about baptism:
Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Rom 10:13 For who ...[text shortened]... Suffer little children to come unto me, and forbid them not: for of such is the kingdom of God.
Thank goodness we had Paul write letters like Romans to correct Jesus' words.
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Originally posted by no1marauderDo you have to be so pedantic? My answer wasn't intended to be conclusive; A much wider selection of scripture -- including your quoted one -- would be necessary.
Matthew 7:21: 21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father who is in heaven.
Thank goodness we had Paul write letters like Romans to correct Jesus' words.
Originally posted by no1marauderAnother example for the unimportance (technically) of baptism to attain salvation is the thief on the cross --
Matthew 7:21: 21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father who is in heaven.
Thank goodness we had Paul write letters like Romans to correct Jesus' words.
Luk 23:39 One of the criminals who were hanged railed at him, saying, "Are you not the Christ? Save yourself and us!"
Luk 23:40 But the other rebuked him, saying, "Do you not fear God, since you are under the same sentence of condemnation?
Luk 23:41 And we indeed justly, for we are receiving the due reward of our deeds; but this man has done nothing wrong."
Luk 23:42 And he said, "Jesus, remember me when you come into your kingdom."
Luk 23:43 And he said to him, "Truly, I say to you, today you will be with me in Paradise."
Originally posted by HalitoseI guess because the Matthew verse is directly contradicted by Romans 10:13 though I'm sure someone will do the appropriate hand stands to claim it isn't.
Do you have to be so pedantic? My answer wasn't intended to be conclusive; A much wider selection of scripture -- including your quoted one -- would be necessary.
Originally posted by chancremechanichttp://www.oxfamireland.org/
What's an Oxfam volunteer?...holding the hands of homesick and crying frsehmen from Oxford university? No Oxfam won't get you into heaven, no matter how many freshmen you cheer up
Most people don't ask a question, then automatically assume they know the answer before someone replies.
If you're keen to know, why not look it up? Or was it just an attempt to put someone down?