The Hagia Sophia

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chattel slavery of Black people

(Phrasing courtesy of FMF)

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I am not sure how very old, very ingrained feelings about Black chattel slavery in the 17th-19th century would need to be revisited for some new insights after conversion any more than, say, sitting down and contemplating the Holocaust, the Khmer Rouge, the Holodomor, etc., in a new light would entail.

OF course, it is a radical transformation.. but these historical events are first understood through the political or historical mind, and the metaphysical aspects of life and death that I now subscribe to certainly have some different aspects to them, but this does not change the conclusions that I largely made before from a political or historical perspective. ^^

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You know there's a special relationship between orthodoxy and the Hagia Sophia, yes?

@philokalia said
You know there's a special relationship between orthodoxy and the Hagia Sophia, yes?

When you say "Hagia Sophia" are you talking about the building or the saint?
I can't see a "special relationship" between either and Eastern Orthodoxy.
What is it?

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So you believe that Christ desired the immediate manumission of all slaves..? Or you believe that Christ believed His message would result in starting a process that promoted manumission and human liberty?

@wolfgang59 said
When you say "Hagia Sophia" are you talking about the building or the saint?
I can't see a "special relationship" between either and Eastern Orthodoxy.
What is it?

Well, the thread is about the Church.

I have not heard of the Saint, but maybe that's the joke.

@philokalia said
Well, the thread is about the Church.

I have not heard of the Saint, but maybe that's the joke.

What do you think Hagia means? 😵

Anyway ... what is this "special relationship" between building and Eastern Orthodoxy?

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It's a very admirable moral stance.

I think it is unrealistic, but I generally agree with you on it, as far as things go.

So, why would I do that?