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    25 Sep '17 02:23
    Originally posted by @eladar
    What percentage of one's day must be lived righteously? All of it? Over 50 percent?
    I can only help you understand what's in the bible. Other stuff like the dumb questions you ask .. Ask God for help.
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    25 Sep '17 02:29
    Originally posted by @sonship
    Rajk999's heresy -
    Is Rajk999 a good Christian to follow, sonship?
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    25 Sep '17 02:302 edits
    Originally posted by @rajk999
    All who live righteously are counted as God's people.

    All who live sinfully are not of God.

    Proclaim whatever you like. God does not know you if you violate his commanents.

    Read Romans 2.
    This does nothing to rescue your statement from being exposed as untrue, by the Bible's own teaching (Matt. 12:35,37; Luke 12:1-3).

    Your erroneous assertion -

    Verbal proclamations are meaningless to God.
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    25 Sep '17 02:31
    Originally posted by @rajk999
    I can only help you understand what's in the bible. Other stuff like the dumb questions you ask .. Ask God for help.
    You can only forget how I corrected you about romans 2 and salvation.

    It is tiring listen to you repeat was has already been refuted.

    I ask again, how righteous must one be to be righteous. It is lijely every person on earth who has reached the age of 20 has done one righteous act. Everyone is then righteous.
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    25 Sep '17 02:333 edits
    Originally posted by @fmf
    Is Rajk999 a good Christian to follow, sonship?
    At the moment I am focused on the specific claim I would say in not reliable.

    Verbal proclamations are meaningless to God.
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    25 Sep '17 02:401 edit
    Originally posted by @sonship
    This does nothing to rescue your statement from being exposed as untrue, by the Bible's own teaching.

    Your erroneous assertion -

    Verbal proclamations are meaningless to God.
    Romans 2 addresses the idea held by many Jews that their superior knowledge and apparent privileged position with God meant exclusion for others not sharing their customs.

    Christians of today are infected with the same disease of false security.

    Paul corrected that misconception.

    Take your time and read the whole chapter.
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    25 Sep '17 02:42
    Originally posted by @rajk999
    Romans 2 addresses the idea held by many Jews that their superior knowledge and apparent privileged position with God meant exclusion for others not sharing their customs.

    Christians of today are infected with the same disease of false security.

    Paul corrected that misconception.

    Take your time and read the whole chapter.
    How does any of this salvage the incorrect statement you made ?

    Verbal proclamations are meaningless to God.
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    25 Sep '17 02:43
    Originally posted by @eladar
    You can only forget how I corrected you about romans 2 and salvation.

    It is tiring listen to you repeat was has already been refuted.

    I ask again, how righteous must one be to be righteous. It is lijely every person on earth who has reached the age of 20 has done one righteous act. Everyone is then righteous.
    Ask again
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    25 Sep '17 02:52
    Originally posted by @sonship
    How does any of this salvage the incorrect statement you made ?

    Verbal proclamations are meaningless to God.
    All your talk is nothing. God sees your works. Anyone who does righteousness is one of God's people.

    Not talkers but doers are righteous
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    25 Sep '17 03:31
    FMF: Is Rajk999 a good Christian to follow, sonship?

    Originally posted by @sonship
    At the moment I am focused on the specific claim I would say in not reliable.
    Aside from this specific claim of his regarding do-nothing-lip-service religiosity ~ and seeing as you must have read 5,000 or more of his posts on his Christian theology, which is at times markedly different from yours, spread over many years ~ generally speaking, is Rajk999 a good Christian to follow?
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    25 Sep '17 04:15
    Originally posted by @rajk999
    All your talk is nothing. God sees your works. Anyone who does righteousness is one of God's people.

    Not talkers but doers are righteous
    Are you opposed to the great commission of just to preaching in general?
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    25 Sep '17 05:142 edits
    Originally posted by @rajk999
    God sees your works.


    Are you saying that the making "verbal pronouncements" can not also be considered a work ?

    Galatians 5:19 speaks of "the WORKS of the flesh". And among those works of the flesh are actions which involve making verbal proclamations.

    "And the works of the flesh are manifest, which are such things as ... outbursts of anger ..."


    Many "outbursts of anger" involve speaking. Would then the SPEAKING and what WAS SPOKEN be a "work" that meant something to God ?
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    25 Sep '17 05:363 edits
    Originally posted by @rajk999
    All your talk is nothing. God sees your works.


    Often when you begin to write like this is signals that you cannot rationally argue that what I said is in error.

    Works involve speaking and verbal proclamations also.
    Otherwise the Apostle Paul would not exhort the Christians to "SPEAK TRUTH" to one another.

    "Therefore having put off the lie, SPEAK truth each one with his neighbor for we are members one of another." (Eph. 4:25)


    So God cares about "verbal pronouncements" also, right ?

    "Do not lie to one another, since you have put off the old man with his practices and have put on the new man ..." (Col. 3:9,10)


    "Verbal pronouncements" here are meaningful to God. Right ?

    Or are you going to hide out behind saying all my talk is nothing ?
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    25 Sep '17 10:371 edit
    Originally posted by @sonship
    All your talk is nothing. God sees your works.


    Often when you begin to write like this is signals that you cannot rationally argue that what I said is in error.

    Works involve speaking and verbal proclamations also.
    Otherwise the Apostle Paul would not exhort the Christians to [b]"SPEAK TRUTH"
    to one another.

    [quote] "There ...[text shortened]... eaningful to God. Right ?

    Or are you going to hide out behind saying all my talk is nothing ?
    You are an idiot of the highest order. You deserve an award for gross stupidity. By verbal pronouncements Im sure you very well know that I refer to verbal professions of faith and proclaimng ones belief with the mouth. This by it itself is nothing to God... as its all talk and mouth worship.

    Paul here speaks of two groups of people the Jews v Others. The Jews believed themselves to be superior to others but Paul corrected that false notion:

    For circumcision verily profiteth, if thou keep the law:
    but if thou be a breaker of the law, thy circumcision is made uncircumcision.
    Therefore if the uncircumcision keep the righteousness of the law,
    shall not his uncircumcision be counted for circumcision? (Romans 2:25-26 KJV


    Here is Pauls point in simple language and applying it to Christians:

    Its good to be a Jew [Christian] IF you keep the law,
    But if you dont then you are nothing
    Others without law who are righteous are counted as Jews/Christians
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    25 Sep '17 11:181 edit
    Originally posted by @rajk999
    You are an idiot of the highest order.
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    This sophomoric ad hom adds ZERO strength to your argument.
    Next?

    You deserve an award for gross stupidity.

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    This adds absolutely no strength to your teaching either.
    Next?

    By verbal pronouncements Im sure you very well know that I refer to verbal professions of faith and proclaimng ones belief with the mouth.

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    Jesus said "every careless word".
    That would include professing of one's faith and all other words.
    Would it not ?

    Pay attention to the word "E-V-E-R-Y" in every idle word.

    "And I say to you that ***EVERY*** idle [or careless] word which men shall speak, they will render an account concerning it in the day of judgment.

    For by your words you shall be justified, and by your words you shall be condemned." (Matt. 12:36,37)


    The sense I definitely get here is EVERY WORD - even idle or careless ones not to mention intentional and significant ones like professions of faith.

    Cont. latter.
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