Originally posted by @eladar
It is ambiguous for all.

Without a good definition your words are meaningless.

Your destiny appears to be something other than the Kingdom of God..

Originally posted by @rajk999
Your destiny appears to be something other than the Kingdom of God..

To a child of Satan like youself?

Of course it would.

Originally posted by @eladar
It is ambiguous for all.

Without a good definition your words are meaningless.

Ambiguous is the only way that doctrine can stand, as soon as it gets specific
questions like you asked, how many good works is enough, and so on, nothing can
be offered to explain the details, so it has remain ambiguous.

The doctrine also does not line up with other scripture, so it rests only a few pet
verses, as long as they are the only ones acknowledged the doctrine can stand. If the
rest of the Bible comes into play holes appear in it on who is saved and why. Jesus
isn't even required in some people's lives, just some unknown number of works, what
is required to be called a good work too remains a mystery.

Originally posted by @kellyjay
Ambiguous is the only way that doctrine can stand, as soon as it gets specific
questions like you asked, how many good works is enough, and so on, nothing can
be offered to explain the details, so it has remain ambiguous.

The doctrine also does not line up with other scripture, so it rests only a few pet
verses, as long as they are the only ones ackn ...[text shortened]... some unknown number of works, what
is required to be called a good work too remains a mystery.

Actually the answer is quite specific, but isn't one you've listened to in the past so no need bringing it up again.

Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-duke
Are you denying Gen:6:9 described Noah as righteous?!

There is no contradiction.
The two passages do not fight against such that if one is true the other must not be.


Genesis 6:8 I believe.
Genesis 6:9 I also believe.

Look at them together,

"But Noah found favor [or grace] in the sight of Jehovah. (v.8)
These are the generations of Noah, Noah was a righteous man, blameless in his generations, and Noah walked with God." (v.9)

My attitude is to say "Amen" to all that the Bible says.

"Thankyou Lord God. Amen, Noah found favor in Your sight. Praise the Lord Noah found grace in Your sight.

Thankyou Lord Jesus, Noah walked with God. Praise You Lord that Noah was blameless in his generations.

Lord may we find grace in your sight. Lord God may we walk with you and be blameless in this generation. Thank You Lord for your precious word."

PRAY over all that you READ.
PRAY with what you READ.

This is an excellent way to get into the Bible in the way of spirit and life.

Originally posted by @kellyjay
Ambiguous is the only way that doctrine can stand, as soon as it gets specific
questions like you asked, how many good works is enough, and so on, nothing can
be offered to explain the details, so it has remain ambiguous.

The doctrine also does not line up with other scripture, so it rests only a few pet
verses, as long as they are the only ones ackn ...[text shortened]... some unknown number of works, what
is required to be called a good work too remains a mystery.

Anyone who needs to ask how many good works is enough clearly does not have the Spirit of Christ in them. These people are just pretentious mouth worshippers whose heart is not with God.

There are posters here who profess no belief and take an interest in these discussions but would not ask how much good works are required. Instead some of these may actually keep some of these commandments of Christ.

In the end doers and followers of Christ will get into the Kingdom. All others will be cast out.

Originally posted by @sonship
There is no contradiction.
The two passages do not fight against such that if one is true the other must not be.


[b]Genesis 6:8 I believe.
Genesis 6:9 I also believe.

Look at them together,

[quote] "But Noah found favor [or grace] in the sight of Jehovah. (v.8)
These are the generations of Noah, Noah was a righteous ...[text shortened]... what you READ.

This is an excellent way to get into the Bible in the way of spirit and life.

Maybe you should prayread over this fact.
Noah was a righteous man and was a preacher of righterousness.
That is why he found grace with God.
You are a preacher of mouthworship.
You will find no grace with God.

Originally posted by @rajk999
Maybe you should prayread over this fact.
Noah was a righteous man and was a preacher of righterousness.
That is why he found grace with God.
You are a preacher of mouthworship.
You will find no grace with God.

Yet you have no way of describing exactly what is a righteous man. All you can say is that he was. Yes he was but what does that mean exactly?

Originally posted by @eladar
Yet you have no way of describing exactly what is a righteous man. All you can say is that he was. Yes he was but what does that mean exactly?

But isn't that already laid out in the bible?! God's idea of righteousness is clearly in regards to our ethical conduct (take for example, Leviticus 19:36; Deuteronomy 25:1; Psalm 1:6; Proverbs 8:20).

Or indeed, look to Job who had perfected this righteousness in God's eyes.

Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-duke
But isn't that already laid out in the bible?! God's idea of righteousness is clearly in regards to our ethical conduct (take for example, Leviticus 19:36; Deuteronomy 25:1; Psalm 1:6; Proverbs 8:20).

Or indeed, look to Job who had perfected this righteousness in God's eyes.

So you are saying it is based on having a proper understanding of what is sin and what is not sin.

Originally posted by @eladar
So you are saying it is based on having a proper understanding of what is sin and what is not sin.

No. It applies to our ethical conduct; the things we do and don't do.

Originally posted by @eladar
Actually the answer is quite specific, but isn't one you've listened to in the past so no need bringing it up again.

I went through them, what do you think was specific?

Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-duke
Read up a little. (Full stop).

Maybe start with N.T Wright:

'The "righteousness of God", referring to God's (the judge's) faithfulness to the covenant relationship, can be neither imputed nor imparted to anybody but refers only to his role as judge. "Righteousness from God" is roughly equivalent to "vindication", meaning that God is pronouncin ...[text shortened]... ds, vindicated for their stance), which is exactly the meaning of the Biblical term "justified."

Nudge for Becker.

Or do you just throw 'imputed' in to the ring and then go hide under your bed?

Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-duke
Read up a little. (Full stop).

Maybe start with N.T Wright:

'The "righteousness of God", referring to God's (the judge's) faithfulness to the covenant relationship, can be neither imputed nor imparted to anybody but refers only to his role as judge. "Righteousness from God" is roughly equivalent to "vindication", meaning that God is pronouncin ...[text shortened]... ds, vindicated for their stance), which is exactly the meaning of the Biblical term "justified."

What is the scriptural basis for his claim that the righteousness of God can neither be imputed nor imparted?

Originally posted by @dj2becker
What is the scriptural basis for his claim that the righteousness of God can neither be imputed nor imparted?

You want me to take you by the hand and walk you through it?

I gave you his name and a chunky quote. If you're interested, go read up on it.