Originally posted by FreakyKBHI understand the two of you have some friction. However it would be great if you could share your knowledge from an opposing viewpoint rather than just growl and snap. I for one might learn something.
Sorry, BDN: even though I was responding to your post, I wasn't criticizing you. The critique was in FS' direction.
Originally posted by FreakyKBHYou really haven't a clue about the Sumerians do you? I suggest you go to school and learn something instead of running your suck about matters you don't know anything about.
And, if you knew the first thing about history--- and especially ancient history--- you might have a valid complaint. Lacking the same and limited to regurgitation of half-baked 're-renderings,' you may as well be talking about any number of irrelevant topics.
You really are just a big mouthed punk.
Originally posted by whodeyI don't assume anything of the kind, but somebody started it and it might as well be taken for granted the israelites knew who it was.
Here is the problem. You assume that Abraham existed. Why? Only the Bible speaks of him, no? It is because the Bible says that he came from the Sumarian culture. This implies that he was influenced by their culture/religion enough to have his descendants "copy" many of the myths of the Sumarians. If this were not the case, you would more than likely be ...[text shortened]... to spout off your theory that the Hebrews adopted their myths other than a few similarities.
However, that doesn't extend to the historiticy of the stories, like any other historical text , it's should be subjected to scrutiny and comparison to earlier texts.
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A few sites:
http://history-world.org/sargon_the_great.htm
http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/ancient/2300sargon1.html
http://www.mystae.com/restricted/streams/thera/canaan.html
http://www.ancienttexts.org/library/mesopotamian/gilgamesh/
http://www.gatewaystobabylon.com/links/texts.htm
http://www.ancienttexts.org/library/mesopotamian/index.html
http://ragz-international.com/ebla.htm
http://www.syriagate.com/Syria/about/cities/Idlib/ebla.htm
http://www.sacred-texts.com/ane/stc/index.htm
http://www.biblicalheritage.org/Bible%20Studies/canaan-gods.htm
http://www-etcsl.orient.ox.ac.uk/edition2/etcslbynumb.php
http://www.earth-history.com/Sumer/
http://ragz-international.com/Sumerianwords1.htm
http://www.fsmitha.com/h1/ch01.htm
have fun Bosse.
Originally posted by frogstompFlattery will get you nowhere. But then again, the place you arrive at will look eerily like that place you find yourself now. Since you're obviously in the mood for insults, why not take the insult one step further, and insult your own senses with the full monty of your supposed critical analysis.
You really haven't a clue about the Sumerians do you? I suggest you go to school and learn something instead of running your suck about matters you don't know anything about.
You really are just a big mouthed punk.
Compare the writings of the nations antecedent to (or even contempary with) the Israelites with Moses' writings and see if you can note the distinctions. The insult of that truth should far outpace anything you or I are able to do to one another. However, you are welcome to continue trying.
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Originally posted by FreakyKBHKeep up your good work of showing just how fatuous you are.Or maybe read those sites and learn something.
Flattery will get you nowhere. But then again, the place you arrive at will look eerily like that place you find yourself now. Since you're obviously in the mood for insults, why not take the insult one step further, and insult your own senses with the full monty of your supposed critical analysis.
Compare the writings of the nations antecedent to ( anything you or I are able to do to one another. However, you are welcome to continue trying.
Here's two other choices for you too: Perch or Rotate.
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Originally posted by Bosse de NageThe sites I posted will give you a good idea of what I've been saying, thanks for the interest.
I understand the two of you have some friction. However it would be great if you could share your knowledge from an opposing viewpoint rather than just growl and snap. I for one might learn something.
here's another interesting site check out the Aleph and the Lamed.
http://www.hebrew4christians.com/Grammar/Unit_One/Pictograms/pictograms.html
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Originally posted by frogstompYou assume, FS, that I haven't already considered the evidence in the matter. Others far more adept at historical analysis have and yet they, too, have come to the same conclusion. Namely, while there are similarities at the most base levels discernable, the differences--- the distinctions--- are such that comparison is rendered impossible.
Keep up your good work of showing just how fatuous you are.Or maybe read those sites and learn something.
Here's two other choices for you too: Perch or Rotate.
What the Sumerians crafted (while impressive in some respects) pales to such a degree as to not warrant further consideration in contrast to the writings of Moses.
Originally posted by FreakyKBHHardly a thread passes that somebody quotes unnamed sources as an argument against named sources, so I ask you put up or shut up, name your sources.
You assume, FS, that I haven't already considered the evidence in the matter. Others far more adept at historical analysis have and yet they, too, have come to the same conclusion. Namely, while there are similarities at the most base levels discernable, the differences--- the distinctions--- are such that comparison is rendered impossible.
What the S ...[text shortened]... to such a degree as to not warrant further consideration in contrast to the writings of Moses.
Which writings of Moses. these:
8:13 And Moses brought Aaron's sons, and put coats upon them, and
girded them with girdles, and put bonnets upon them; as the LORD
commanded Moses.
8:15 And he slew it
8:19 And he killed it;
8:23 And he slew it;
8:29 And Moses took the breast, and waved it for a wave offering
before the LORD:
getting the flock used to the idea of killing things for the phony god, I'll bet next he'll have em kill off an entire city.
Originally posted by frogstompHardly a thread passes that somebody quotes unnamed sources as an argument against named sources, so I ask you put up or shut up, name your sources.
Hardly a thread passes that somebody quotes unnamed sources as an argument against named sources, so I ask you put up or shut up, name your sources.
Which writings of Moses. these:
8:13 And Moses brought Aaron's sons, and put coats upon them, and
girded them with girdles, and put bonnets upon them; as the LORD
commanded Moses.
8:15 And he ...[text shortened]... killing things for the phony god, I'll bet next he'll have em kill off an entire city.
Hardly a thread passes that an argument is raised (in supposed earnest) which, as with all arguments preceeding it, once proof of substance is provided, said argument is quickly discarded and forgotten. I wonder why so much silliness is so consistently ignored?
Originally posted by FreakyKBHSources, silly man, where are your sources?
[b]Hardly a thread passes that somebody quotes unnamed sources as an argument against named sources, so I ask you put up or shut up, name your sources.
Hardly a thread passes that an argument is raised (in supposed earnest) which, as with all arguments preceeding it, once proof of substance is provided, said argument is quickly discarded and forgotten. I wonder why so much silliness is so consistently ignored?[/b]
Smokescreens and mirrors won't work.
Sources!!!
If you haven't any, say so.
Originally posted by frogstompWhile your goading may work on lesser intellects, you will not find a willing patsy in me. If you lack the necessary constitution to apply critical thinking to what you have learned thus far regarding ancient history, no amount of information will assist you.
Name a source or go away.
Originally posted by FreakyKBHAre you that much of an idiot that you think ( and that's a laugh ) that you are impressing anyone here?
While your goading may work on lesser intellects, you will not find a willing patsy in me. If you lack the necessary constitution to apply critical thinking to what you have learned thus far regarding ancient history, no amount of information will assist you.
Name a source!