Originally posted by KellyJayYou don't seem to be getting what I'm saying KellyJay. The unrepentant sceptic is not choosing to reject this 'truth'. He or she simply cannot believe it. That is how he or she was created, by, you believe, your god. And your god knew that this sceptic could not choose to believe, but still created him or her anyway. This god, as portrayed by yourself, is some kind of psychotic child, creating living, conscious beings for no other purpose than to torture them. Either your reading of christianity is wrong, or your god is not worthy of anybody's fealty.
No one is going to have an excuse, being a "sceptic" is not going to fly since everything
required to know the truth has been provided, but if you reject it, it will be on you. We are
all going to stand before God and everything is going to be revealed, our words, our
deeds, and our secrets. Do you believe that those that did know but just wanted to deny
are going to stand better off than those that did know and did evil anyway?
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Originally posted by avalanchethecatI haven't seen anything definitive in the Bible that would indicate that God knows all details of the future. I suspect that the concept is borne of a "my God is more powerful than your God" mentality.
You don't seem to be getting what I'm saying KellyJay. The unrepentant sceptic is not choosing to reject this 'truth'. He or she simply cannot believe it. That is how he or she was created, by, you believe, your god. And your god knew that this sceptic could not choose to believe, but still created him or her anyway. This god, as portrayed by yoursel ...[text shortened]... em. Either your reading of christianity is wrong, or your god is not worthy of anybody's fealty.
You're correct in that it results in a perverse depiction of God when coupled with the concept of eternal torture or even annihilation.
Of course, the concept that God's metric for gaining eternal life is "whether or not an individual believes in the atoning sacrifice of Jesus" is also perverse.
Originally posted by avalanchethecatScripture teaches all of us have been shown what we need to see to understand. You can go on denying it, and I am quite sure nothing I can say can move you from your position, and it will only matter if the Bible is correct, because that will mean God when He exposes all of our secrets will reveal the truth when it comes to our lives.
You don't seem to be getting what I'm saying KellyJay. The unrepentant sceptic is not choosing to reject this 'truth'. He or she simply cannot believe it. That is how he or she was created, by, you believe, your god. And your god knew that this sceptic could not choose to believe, but still created him or her anyway. This god, as portrayed by yoursel ...[text shortened]... em. Either your reading of christianity is wrong, or your god is not worthy of anybody's fealty.
Originally posted by avalanchethecatHis understanding of basic bible truths is way off. He is into church doctrine.
You don't seem to be getting what I'm saying KellyJay. The unrepentant sceptic is not choosing to reject this 'truth'. He or she simply cannot believe it. That is how he or she was created, by, you believe, your god. And your god knew that this sceptic could not choose to believe, but still created him or her anyway. This god, as portrayed by yoursel ...[text shortened]... em. Either your reading of christianity is wrong, or your god is not worthy of anybody's fealty.
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Originally posted by KellyJayScripture teaches, ...but only those who can read.
Scripture teaches all of us have been shown what we need to see to understand. You can go on denying it, and I am quite sure nothing I can say can move you from your position, and it will only matter if the Bible is correct, because that will mean God when He exposes all of our secrets will reveal the truth when it comes to our lives.
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Originally posted by avalanchethecatJust to touch upon a couple of things here. Our lives will be laid bare before everyone,
You don't seem to be getting what I'm saying KellyJay. The unrepentant sceptic is not choosing to reject this 'truth'. He or she simply cannot believe it. That is how he or she was created, by, you believe, your god. And your god knew that this sceptic could not choose to believe, but still created him or her anyway. This god, as portrayed by yoursel ...[text shortened]... em. Either your reading of christianity is wrong, or your god is not worthy of anybody's fealty.
every deed, and word. We will be without excuse, so when in this life professions of
unbelief may ring out here, on that day all of our secrets will be revealed no one will have
an excuse. So to suggest anyone was just going to die without cause or the ability to
change will not be the case.
I agree with you that if this judgment was just acting out our parts as if we were in a
book someone was reading, than judgment would not be the right word since no choices
were ever given to anyone whatsoever. With choices though, we pick our parts, we pick
the parts we play, we can be hateful, or loving. We can seek out our creator, or ignore
and blasphemy Him, calling Him every name under the sun and questioning His honor
and His righteousness.
Revelation 20:
10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
Matthew 12:
35 A good man out of the good treasure of the heart bringeth forth good things: and an evil man out of the evil treasure bringeth forth evil things.
36 But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.
37 For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.
Romans 1:
17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.
18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
Romans 2:
15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another
16 In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel.
Matthew 5:22
But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.
Originally posted by KellyJayBut haven't you declared yourself "forgiven" and "saved" and thus "immortal"? So why are you wittering on about "every deed and word" and about how "secrets will be revealed"? You have claimed that you are saved "by faith alone" and that you are "saved" regardless of your "sins", so what's all this bogus concern about "judgement" and "damnation" that you have effectively declared yourself immune from on account of your faith?
Just to touch upon a couple of things here. Our lives will be laid bare before everyone, every deed, and word. We will be without excuse, so when in this life professions of unbelief may ring out here, on that day all of our secrets will be revealed no one will have an excuse.
Originally posted by KellyJayNo. Do you say everyone who has different faith belief from you will go to hell? I think you should try to understand how offensive your view is. What if I told you that you must believe as I do, or you will be punished for eternity. Your morals don't matter, your behavior doesn't matter, but if you don't bow down to what I say you should bow down to, then you will suffer. Forever.
Are you always such an ass to those who attempt to talk to you?
Nothing offensive about that!