Originally posted by apathistI'm saying everyone is on the way to Hell without exception, except those that come to
No. Do you say everyone who has different faith belief from you will go to hell? I think you should try to understand how offensive your view is. What if I told you that you must believe as I do, or you will be punished for eternity. Your morals don't matter, your behavior doesn't matter, but if you don't bow down to what I say you should bow down to, then you will suffer. Forever.
Nothing offensive about that!
God through Jesus Christ. God's great salvation has been given to us through His Son,
and you choose, take it or leave it, and if you leave that great salvation it will not because
it was not offered to you. So those that come to Christ will be saved because of Him, NOT
because they agree with me, but because of what Jesus Christ did for us. He suffered so
we could be forgiven it is all about Christ. We cannot earn this great salvation it is a free
gift given to us by God, we cannot be good enough it is a free gift of God. So we are left
with accepting His graceful gift of taking our sin upon Himself, so we can receive from Him
His Spirit and live our lives as we should being led by a loving God, carrying for each
other with God in our lives, today.
Originally posted by KellyJayIt's reckoned that about a third of the world's population is christian. How many of those do you think will qualify for this salvation? All of them? Do you think it's fair of your god to withhold his salvation from those people who were 'unlucky' enough to have been born into non-christian societies?
I'm saying everyone is on the way to Hell without exception, except those that come to
God through Jesus Christ. God's great salvation has been given to us through His Son,
and you choose, take it or leave it, and if you leave that great salvation it will not because
it was not offered to you. So those that come to Christ will be saved because of Him, NO ...[text shortened]... s as we should being led by a loving God, carrying for each
other with God in our lives, today.
Originally posted by KellyJayYou are a classic religious fundamentalist nutcase.
I'm saying everyone is on the way to Hell without exception, except those that come to
God through Jesus Christ. God's great salvation has been given to us through His Son,
and you choose, take it or leave it, and if you leave that great salvation it will not because
it was not offered to you. So those that come to Christ will be saved because of Him, NO ...[text shortened]... s as we should being led by a loving God, carrying for each
other with God in our lives, today.
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Originally posted by avalanchethecatI don't know who is a Christian and is just making the claim. Only those who have the Spirit of God in them do I count as Christian. They should be walking following God, learning about Him, taking care of the needs of others, proclaiming the gospel.
It's reckoned that about a third of the world's population is christian. How many of those do you think will qualify for this salvation? All of them? Do you think it's fair of your god to withhold his salvation from those people who were 'unlucky' enough to have been born into non-christian societies?
I was born into a godless family, I am not now the only Christian in my family, but most are not. The fact you could be born into a Christian family does not mean you will end up saved.
This will always be between each of us and God. God reaching into those places is something He is working on. God is not withholding His salvation from any that comes to Him for it, that is why Jesus came to save the lost.
Originally posted by KellyJayTell me why a god, being omniscient, would set up a system where it knew at the inception of the universe there would be billions of people headed to hell.
I don't know who is a Christian and is just making the claim. Only those who have the Spirit of God in them do I count as Christian. They should be walking following God, learning about Him, taking care of the needs of others, proclaiming the gospel.
I was born into a godless family, I am not now the only Christian in my family, but most are not. The fac ...[text shortened]... olding His salvation from any that comes to Him for it, that is why Jesus came to save the lost.
The answer would follow then that it wanted it that way, designed it that way.
But Christians only think of their god as loving and just.
Bit of a dichotomy there, don't you think?
Originally posted by KellyJayDo you believe that you telling us here that "everyone is on the way to Hell without exception, except those that come to God through Jesus Christ" is an example of your god figure offering "great salvation" to people? Do you see yourself as working on behalf of your god figure - and offering us a way of avoiding being tortured in Hell - when you post here?
I'm saying everyone is on the way to Hell without exception, except those that come to God through Jesus Christ. God's great salvation has been given to us through His Son, and you choose, take it or leave it, and if you leave that great salvation it will not because it was not offered to you.
Originally posted by sonhouseWhat if God does NOT know the future?
Tell me why a god, being omniscient, would set up a system where it knew at the inception of the universe there would be billions of people headed to hell.
The answer would follow then that it wanted it that way, designed it that way.
But Christians only think of their god as loving and just.
Bit of a dichotomy there, don't you think?
Maybe our free will is more important than we realize.
Originally posted by chaney3'For whenever our heart condemns us, God is greater than our heart, and he knows everything.' 1 John 3:20
What if God does NOT know the future?
Maybe our free will is more important than we realize.
If God does not know the future, then does he really know everything? (And what are we then to make of the book of Revelation?)
Originally posted by Tom WolseyThe OP asks that we assume that the Bible is (hypothetically) essentially correct about God, and then asks for a reason for this God to knowingly create people who will not be saved. Many of the responses to these requests fail to accept the hypothetical or its implications: an omnipotent, omnibenicient, all-knowing creator. An implication is that God HAS a good reason. If we can't grasp that good reason, it is because of our imperfect God-given nature, and there has to be a good reason for that, too.
This one gets me thinking. For the sake of argument, let's say the bible is absolutely correct, at least on the significant things related to doctrine.
God is omniscient, and knows everything that has or will come to pass. This means that in the case of the skeptic that dies in a state of unbelief and unrepentance -- God pre-ordained his or her life ...[text shortened]... have loved and lost, than to have never loved at all." (replace loved with lived)
Thoughts?
Do I get it right?
Originally posted by KellyJayIt's easy enough to find a map which depicts the proportion of the populace of a given country follows a particular religion. In the case of christianity, it would appear that if you are born in China or India, for example, your chances of becoming a christian are very much lower than if you were born in Mexico or Angola. Why does your god like Mexicans and Angolans so much more than Chinese and Indians?
I don't know who is a Christian and is just making the claim. Only those who have the Spirit of God in them do I count as Christian. They should be walking following God, learning about Him, taking care of the needs of others, proclaiming the gospel.
I was born into a godless family, I am not now the only Christian in my family, but most are not. The fac ...[text shortened]... olding His salvation from any that comes to Him for it, that is why Jesus came to save the lost.
Originally posted by avalanchethecatI can tell you i've gone to many prayer and Bible study meetings that were represented by people from several different nations and walks of life. I believe that there are much fewer people from western nations saved than many think, and far more from other countries than people give credit to.
It's easy enough to find a map which depicts the proportion of the populace of a given country follows a particular religion. In the case of christianity, it would appear that if you are born in China or India, for example, your chances of becoming a christian are very much lower than if you were born in Mexico or Angola. Why does your god like Mexicans and Angolans so much more than Chinese and Indians?