Originally posted by Suzianne"...you believe in a Trinity, a Triune God."
Unclear on the concept, are you? I think not, even though you try to take the stupid side of the argument with this comment. Some things you've said in this forum seem to testify that you are not at all far from believing in a Triune God yourself. It's just that you call all three parts of the Triune God by one name: Jesus. If you believe that Jesus emb ...[text shortened]... this is how I see it. I could be wrong, but I'm just going on things you've said in this forum.
You believe Trinity and Triune are the same thing?
Continuing with Exodus 30:22-33 (to any who are willing to have an enlarged capacity)
Olive oil is the main base of the compound and signifies the Spirit of God (Genesis 1:2) .
To this unique base are added four of the finest spices. The number four signifies the creatures as in Ezekiel 1:5 (four living creatures).
The number one standing for the unique God is going to be compounded with the number four which combination signifies God's divinity compounded with man. Man is he leading creature. Man is the head of the creatures (four).
Already we can see something of incarnation of Divinity into Humanity in the adding of the one unique God with Man of God's creatures - four. Divinity and humanity are mingled in the God-man the Lord Jesus Christ.
The olive oil base and the four spices were all prepared through a process involving the following cutting. This cutting to prepare the blending of the oil with the spices points to the sufferings of Christ. Though the sufferings of Jesus Christ the Spirit of God became the Spirit of Christ.
" ... if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Yet if anyone does have have the Spirit of Christ, he is not of Him." (Rom. 8:8b,9a)
We can see that Jesus was perfected through the things in which He suffered (Hebrews 5:8)
" Even though He was a Son, learned obedience through the things which He suffered. And having been perfected, He became to all those who obey Him the source of eternal salvation." (Heb 5:8,9)
Christ's intense suffering throughout His entire life perfected Him and infused the suffering man into the eternal Spirit of God. At Gethsemane we see how Christ was pressed and cut and dealt with in intense suffering making His testimony more than immortal.
"Then Jesus came with them to a place called Gethsemane, and He said to the disciples, Sit here while I go over there and pray." (Matt. 36:26)
He sweat great drops of blood, agonizing to be true to the will of God in spite of the agony and sorrow it meant to His humanity.
Because these matters are so profound the Bible offers pictures to convey them. God instructed that the olive oil through cutting and pressing and grinding be combined with the four finest spices to make this compound ointment.
The four spices were in three complete unites of five hundred shekels. This speaks of the Three of the Godhead. The Lord God of Israel is one. But the God of Israel is not just the Father.
And the middle unit of 500 shekels is split (250+250 shekels) to signify the Son was "split" in His death on the cross.
Also in the Bible's usage of numbers the one olive oil plus the four spices comes out to the number five. And five is the number signifying the bearing of responsibility.
For example - five foolish virgins and Ffive prudent virgins (Matt. 25).
Whether we would be wise or foolish is our own responsibility.
The rich man left five brothers alive whom he did not want to join him in damnation (Luke 16). The responsibility to be saved or not is upon the perished rich man's brothers.
So altogether the compound of the ONE unique olive oil with the FOUR spices signifies the incarnation of God as a man to bear responsibility for man's salvation. That is to offer man a salvation that man must now choose.
The four spices in three units speak of the Triune God incarnated as a man bringing about the mingling of God and man. And the splitting of the second unit of 500 shekels signifies the death of the Second of the Trinity on the cross.
Since the number five in the Bible is the number for responsibility, the five elements of the compound ointment and the three unites of five hundred shekels of the four spices speak of the mingling of God and man in the Savior Jesus Christ, to bear responsibility.
The three units also indicate resurrection. The Triune God mingled with man and in resurrection bears the responsibility, even as a Great High Priest, to bring man into God's full salvation.
The numbers three and five are also the numbers must intimately related to the building of God. In both the ark of Noah and the tabernacle the numbers three and five are most prominent.
The numbers three and five are basic components of the dimensions of Noah's ark. I am not going into this extensively here.
But both the ark of Noah and the tabernacle of God in Exodus 27 utilize these numbers. Briefly they speak of God building Himself into man and man into Himself.
You all must know that the Bible concludes with a city which is called "the tabernacle of God" and is an eternal living temple building. God and man are mingled and united together in the fulfillment of His eternal purpose.
The number three signifies the Triune God in His dispensing of Himself into man.
"Go therefore and disciple all the nations, baptizing them into the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit." (Matt. 28:19)
This is not a mere exhortation to say certain things in a ceremony. It means the plunging of men into the Three-one God. Yes, the God of Israel is one. But the God of Israel is not only the Father.
The Triune God dispensing Himself into His people is also seen in Second Corinthians. 13:14.
" The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ and the love of God and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with you all." (2 Cor. 13:14)
Through His three-one being God is imparting and dispensing Himself to man to build God and man together.
Then again the Trinity dispensing into man is seen in Ephesians 3:16-19.
" That He [the Father] would grant you, according to the riches of His glory, to be strengthened with power through His Spirit into the inner man,
That Christ may make His home in your hearts through faith that you, being rooted and grounded in love, May be full of strength to apprehend with all the saints what the breath and length and height and depth are and to know the knowledge-surpassing love of Christ, that you may be filled unto all the fullness of God." (Eph. 3:16-19)
Here too, the Father, the Holy Spirit, and the Son Christ are for the dispensing of God into man that man may be filled unto all the fullness of God, mingling with God and blending with God for the fulfillment God's eternal plan.
What the Trinity is can never be separated from what the Trinity does - that is dispense God in Christ as the Spirit into His people for the building of New Jerusalem as the living tabernacle of God and the temple of God at the climax of history (See Revelation 21,22) . .
Originally posted by sonshipI'm willing to discuss why the Holy Ghost and Holy Spirit are the same, does that mean I'm
Continuing with [b]Exodus 30:22-33 (to any who are willing to have an enlarged capacity)
Olive oil is the main base of the compound and signifies the Spirit of God (Genesis 1:2) .
To this unique base are added four of the finest spices. The number four signifies the creatures as in Ezekiel 1:5 (four living creat ...[text shortened]... of the second unit of 500 shekels signifies the death of the Second of the Trinity on the cross.[/b]
willing to have an enlarged capacity? I've noticed you have not responded directly to me.
"to any who are willing to have an enlarged capacity"
Originally posted by KellyJayI have no comment about what you wrote. If you feel something is being made out of nothing or that a "magic decoder ring" is in play, that's your opinion about my fellowship there. No use arguing.
If I expounded on the Passover lamb of earlier Exodus, I think you would readily grasp that. Maybe you might think about that fact that about one half of the book of Exodus pertains to the building of the tabernacle, the priestly garments, the furniture, and these things have just as much importance as the paschal lamb or the crossing of the Red Sea.
There's more there. The Passover Lamb or the crossing of the Red Sea are not the conclusion of the book of Exodus. God is opening up more to His people in these days.
Originally posted by sonshipOkay, we can agree to disagree with that I have no issues with at all and find it refreshing
I have no comment about what you wrote. If you feel something is being made out of nothing or that a "magic decoder ring" is in play, that's your opinion about my fellowship there. No use arguing.
If I expounded on the Passover lamb of earlier Exodus, I think you would readily grasp that. Maybe you might think about that fact that about one half of the ...[text shortened]... the conclusion of the book of [b]Exodus. God is opening up more to His people in these days.[/b]
to tell you the truth. 🙂
Originally posted by KellyJayWhat is important to know is that all that Jesus Christ passed through are now the ingredients of the Holy Spirit. The Spirit of Christ today includes the "extract" of the things He passed through as a man.
Okay, we can agree to disagree with that I have no issues with at all and find it refreshing
to tell you the truth. 🙂
This is like drinking tea water is taking the extract of the tea plant. The plant's substance is extracted in out into a form in which we can drink that plant in. The birth, life, death, resurrection and ascension of Christ are included in the Spirit of Christ as a kind of extract of His life on the earth for thirty-three and one half years.
That is the important matter to understand about the compounding of the holy anointing oil in Exodus 30.
Christ and all that He passed through can be applied subjectively by means of the Spirit of Christ.
"the last Adam became a life giving Spirit" (1 Cor. 15:45) .
"The five elements of the anointing oil - the four spices and the olive oil all had to go through a process that involved either pressure or cutting. " W.L.
The olives had to go through the press to extract forth the oil.
That involved hard pressing.
The myrrh and the cinnamon both were extracted by means of incisions (cuts) made in the bark of a tree. It has been said that the resin of myrrh flows out of the cut made in tree bark like tears.
Throughout His entire life Christ suffered, was pressed, was cut, was crucified. His mother caused Him to suffer. His brothers caused Him to suffer. Joseph the wife of Mary caused Him to suffer. His neighbors caused Him to suffer. And His disciples caused Him to suffer not to mention all His enemies from religion caused Him to suffer.
All of this pressing and suffering of Jesus has been extracted and made the Spirit. This is like wine or an alcoholic drink is called "spirits". The grain that goes into making an alcoholic beverage yields its essence which are referred to as "spirits".
All that Christ passed through is the ingredients of the all inclusive Spirit of Christ for man to apply subjectively. This rich compound of extracts from His life on earth is called "the BOUNTIFUL SUPPLY of the Spirit of Jesus Christ" (Phil. 1:19) .
Originally posted by sonshipA TRUE CHRISTIAN who desires perfection can only go in one direction, a direction was made crystal clear by Jesus Christ. I suspect that you dont even know what that direction is.
What is important to know is that all that Jesus Christ passed through are now the ingredients of the Holy Spirit. The Spirit of Christ today includes the "extract" of the things He passed through as a man.
This is like drinking tea water is taking the extract of the tea plant. The plant's substance is extracted in out into a form in which we can drink t ...[text shortened]... of the Spirit of Christ.
[b]"the last Adam became a life giving Spirit" (1 Cor. 15:45) .[/b]
You are not the Christ-like type. You do not preach about the teachings of Christ but rather you preach that they are irrelevant and unimportant. Instead you constantly refer to Watchman Nee and other men whom you have placed on a pedestal and whose doctrine you peddle here.
People like you are dime a dozen. You are desirous only of personal recognition in the form of peer recognition, and when others disagree or ignore your pet [often weird] interpretations of the Bible, you become arrogant and dismissive.
When people talk about the "spirit" of a something it usually means the essence of a substance. The "spirit" of a substance is often extracted in liquid form. This is helpful to understand how the Spirit of Christ is the extract of His life on earth. This extract is the ingredients of "the life giving Spirit" that Jesus Christ became (1 Cor. 15:45).
We also can think of the life and Person of Jesus being in "liquid form" in order that we may "drink" in His essence.
God does not care how good you can act apart from Christ.
How dedicated or how zealous or humble you can act by your own power means nothing to the church which He builds.
It is how much you live by this Spirit of Christ as the extract and essence of Christ imparted into your being, that counts to God.
In this Spirit is the essence of what Jesus is and how Jesus lived. And what He passed through become applicable for man to apply subjectively. The cross can terminate old ways of living and thinking. The resurrection can cause one to rise above all forms of depression and oppression.
The ingredients of the life giving Spirit, bountifully fortified into a form in which we can "drink" Christ -is today the Spirit. And we must take in this Spirit and allow Him to become rivers of living water flowing out into the various inner parts of our soul.
Only saturation of this Spirit of Christ will supply the Christian to stand the times soon to come. We need to seize the time now to be saturated with this Spirit of Christ.
We need a river to flow to our imagination.
We need a river to flow to our deciding will power.
We need another river to flow to our memory that we forget what we should and remember what we should.
We need another river to flow to our emotions.
We need to be filled up with the Spirit of Christ transforming the soul.
So Jesus spoke of rivers [plural] of living water because the one flow of the Spirit must branch out into many rivers to the various parts of our being to save us.
" He who believes into Me, as the Scripture said, out of his innermost being shall flow rivers of living water.
But this He said concerning the Spirit, whom those who believed into Him were about to receive; for the Spirit was not yet, because Jesus had not yet been glorified." (John 7:38,39)
If you want to be saved you need to be saturated with this Spirit of the glorified Christ. Saturation from within by this Spirit of Christ will stand against the time of tribulation coming upon the whole inhabited earth.
Besides we need the saturation of this Spirit for the building up of His kingdom. The church is only in this Spirit. The church practically exists only in the flowing in and out of man of this Spirit of Christ.
Originally posted by sonshipNo, the ingredients of the Holy Spirit? Jesus didn't bake a pie and we get the Holy Spirit.
What is important to know is that all that Jesus Christ passed through are now the ingredients of the Holy Spirit. The Spirit of Christ today includes the "extract" of the things He passed through as a man.
This is like drinking tea water is taking the extract of the tea plant. The plant's substance is extracted in out into a form in which we can drink t ...[text shortened]... of the Spirit of Christ.
[b]"the last Adam became a life giving Spirit" (1 Cor. 15:45) .[/b]
We disagree like I said I'm okay with that, but this is funny to me.
Originally posted by KellyJayThey typology teaches of "ingredients" of the Holy Spirit. But if you do not like the typology the plain teaching of Scripture speak of the virtual ingredients of the Holy Spirit
No, the ingredients of the Holy Spirit? Jesus didn't bake a pie and we get the Holy Spirit.
We disagree like I said I'm okay with that, but this is funny to me.
in how many things the Holy Spirit is to believers.
Ingreditents of the Spirit mostly in plain teaching
The Spirit of the Father (Matt. 10:20)
The Spirit of the Lord (Luke 4:18; Acts 5:9; 8:39; 2 Cor. 3:17)
The Spirit of God’s Son is the Spirit of life (Rom. 8:2)
The eternal Spirit (Heb. 9:11)
The Spirit of Christ (Rom. 8:8-9)
The Spirit of Jesus (Acts 16:7)
The Spirit of Jesus Christ (Phil.1:19)
The Spirit of the living God (2 Cor. 3:3)
The life giving Spirit (1 Cor. 15:45)
The Spirit of life ( Rom. 8:2)
The Spirit of grace (Heb. 10:29)
The Spirit of reality (John 14:17; 15:26; 16:13; 1 John 4:6)
The Spirit as the Comforter [Paraclete) (John 14:16)
The Spirit of power (Luke 24:49;Acts 1:4-5, 8; 2:1-4, 16-18)
The Spirit of glory and of God (First Peter 4:14)
The seven Spirits (Rev 1:4; 4:5; 5:6)
The Spirit is depicted as a Dove (Matt. 3:16) so gentleness and singleness is an ingredient of the Spirit
The Spirit is depicted as a fine women seeking a lost treasure (Luke 15:8). So inner enlightenment and deligent searching is an ingredient of the Spirit
The Spirit is depicted of as the breath (John 20:22). Intimacy and immediacy therefore is an ingredient of the Spirit.
The Spirit is depicted as Wind (Puema) (John 3:8). So hiddeness or mystery yet effectiveness is an ingredient of the Holy Spirit.
The Spirit is depicted as a rushing mighty wind (Acts 2:2). So even violent power is an ingredient of the Spirit.
The Spirit is depicted as Clothing (Luke 24:49). So covering and even official uniform like clothing is an ingredient of the Spirit.
The Spirit is taught as being living water (John 4 & 7). Thirst quenching and crucial life vitality is an ingredient of the Spirit.
The Spirit is also called a gift (Acts 2:38; 10:45). Liberality is an ingredient of the Spirit.
The Firstfruits of the Spirit (Rom.8:23) speak of the initiation ability as His ingredient as well.
The Spirit is depicted as a Cloud ( 1 Cor. 10:1,2). This speaks of the "atmospheric" covering as an ingredient of the Spirit.
The Spirit is a "spiritual drink" (1 Cor. 10:4). The beverage like accessibility is an ingredient of the Holy Spirit.
Are you still giggling KellyJay ?
The Spirit is depicted as Oil (Hebrews 1:9, Matthew 25:3-4, 8-9, and Luke 10:34). His ability to be carefully applied or robbed in is His ingredient too.
The Spirit is taught to be a Seal (Second Corinthians 1:22; us, Ephesians 1:13 and 4:30) His official and enduring sign of ownership is an ingredient of the Holy Spirit as well.
The Spirit is a Pledge, Guarantee, Foretaste (2 Cor. 1:22; 5:5; Eph. 1:14). These are additional vital ingredients of the Holy Spirit to assure us of eternal salvation.
The Spirit is depicted as Ink (2 Corinthians 3:3). This is His ability to "write" or "inscribe" the divine life into man as an ingredient.
The Spirit is depicted as Lamps of Fire (seven lamps in Rev. 4:5). The powerful pervading illumination is of the Spirit is His ingredient as well.
The Spirit is seen as the seven eyes of the Redeeming Lamb (Rev. 5:6). The infusing, searching divine observation are an ingredient of the Spirit as well.
The Spirit is a river of water of life and of living water in Rev. 22:1. The power and eternally flowing nature of the Spirit are His ingredient as well.
The Spirit of love (Rom.15:20; Gal. 5:22) indicate divine and godly human love are His ingredient.
The Spirit is of Joy (Rom. 14:17). Joy is an ingredient of the Holy Spirit.
The Spirit is of comfort (Acts 9:31). Comforting is an ingredient.
The Spirit is also of holiness and sanctification ( 1 Pet. 1:2; Rom. 15:16)
The Spirit is of Reality (Truth). Reality is an ingredient of the Holy Spirit.
I could go on. But these attributes and others certainly be called the ingredients of the Holy Spirit. So why are you amused that the typology should show all the things compounded into the great symbol of the Spirit (OLIVE OIL) in Exodus 30 ?
Originally posted by sonshipNone of this to me suggest that Jesus had the ingredients to make a pie, cake, or the
They typology teaches of "ingredients" of the Holy Spirit. But if you do not like the typology the plain teaching of Scripture speak of the virtual ingredients of the Holy Spirit
in how many things the Holy Spirit is to believers.
[b]Ingreditents of the Spirit mostly in plain teaching
The Spirit of the Father (Matt. 10:20)
The Spirit ...[text shortened]... ] compounded [/b] into the great symbol of the Spirit (OLIVE OIL) in Exodus 30 ?[/b]
Holy Spirit. You calling something an ingredient isn't making it one.