@kellyjay saidI think you are suffering from the same disease that infects many of these church groups.. ie the inability to read the context and see who is being addressed.
You have ignored specific text from scriptures that shows your errors. Repeating them doesn’t seem to matter, you are hell bent (pun intended) to hang on to your unbiblical doctrine no matter what.
eg Jesus in addressing Peter told him that he is the rock upon which He will build his church . You cannot possibly apply that to all Christians. That is specifically for Peter
Another example is the case where Jesus told 70 disciples that their names are written in heaven. Again that is for those 70 disciples and cannot possibly be applied across the board to all of Christianity, although many wrongly do.
Here now you think that this passage
I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing. (John 15:5 KJV)
Jesus is addressing the disciples. Nowhere in Jesus's preaching did he every say that nobody can do good works without him. That is a nonsense church doctrine
@rajk999 saidYou do assume a lot. So tell me we can do one scripture at a time.
I think you are suffering from the same disease that infects many of these church groups.. ie the inability to read the context and see who is being addressed.
eg Jesus in addressing Peter told him that he is the rock upon which He will build his church . You cannot possibly apply that to all Christians. That is specifically for Peter
Another example is the case where J ...[text shortened]... hing did he every say that nobody can do good works without him. That is a nonsense church doctrine
From John 3
Jesus said,
"Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God."
Do you think Jesus means what He said here? This is in agreement with the narrow way, but tell me do you reject these words from Christ?
@kellyjay saidI know you think it means to believe with your mouth and profess belief with your mouth, and those who profess with their mouth that they believe in Christ are saved. This is why I call you a preacher of mouth worship.
You do assume a lot. So tell me we can do one scripture at a time.
From John 3
Jesus said,
"Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God."
Do you think Jesus means what He said here? This is in agreement with the narrow way, but tell me do you reject these words from Christ?
Jesus is not interested in professions of belief or faith with the mouth. Jesus is interested in good works and righteousness.
@rajk999 saidI did not ask you what you think, I think it means. I accept it word for word as Jesus said it. What do you think Jesus is saying? I actually believe what the scriptures say which is we are saved by God's grace through faith, it is a gift of God. Now back to the question you did not answer.
I know you think it means to believe with your mouth and profess belief with your mouth, and those who profess with their mouth that they believe in Christ are saved. This is why I call you a preacher of mouth worship.
Jesus is not interested in professions of belief or faith with the mouth. Jesus is interested in good works and righteousness.
Jesus said,
"Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God."
Do you think Jesus means what He said here? This is in agreement with the narrow way, but tell me do you reject these words from Christ?
-Removed-I've made a couple of attempts, you can point out to me what about what I have said does not apply, you didn't. If one of us is dodging here, its you!
Scripture is plain, God is going to judge, Jesus who took on everything we did wrong upon Himself so we can be forgiven is the one we are going to be standing in front of. What He did was either accepted by us or not, if not, then all that He went through to save us will not apply, so the punishment for sins and the rejection of Jesus will fall on the sinners in full. You don't like that, you feel it isn't moral, that is fine, but it is God's Kingdom not yours.
I'm not sure why you think God has to comply with you feelings! You realize we are going to Him for salvation right, we are asking Him to forgive us for the sins we have done against Him, we are asking Him to allow us to enter into His family, we are asking Him to allow us to serve Him. We are not going to God to make Him our Lord and Savior as a favor to Him, that He should be honored that we are blessing Him by favoring Him over other gods!
Not sure where you get off telling God what He can and cannot do, I think if anyone here is lazy and copying out its you. There is no ultimate contradiction from my stance, I'm not the one saying the Word of God, is the Word of God except where I don't like it, that is your contradiction!
@kellyjay saidYou are saved by grace. You do not get eternal life however unless there is good works and righteous living.
I did not ask you what you think, I think it means. I accept it word for word as Jesus said it. What do you think Jesus is saying? I actually believe what the scriptures say which is we are saved by God's grace through faith, it is a gift of God. Now back to the question you did not answer.
Jesus said,
"Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not be ...[text shortened]... d here? This is in agreement with the narrow way, but tell me do you reject these words from Christ?
The grace of God is for everyone.
Eternal life is not for everyone, because everyone would not follow Christ commandments.