Originally posted by LemonJello
Personally, I think your account sounds like the vague one. You say that God just sort of creates moral facts. What is that supposed to mean? And, I'll remind you that your whole contention here has been that moral facts must be more than just merely a matter of human opinion. So your great insightful solution is that moral facts just somehow b rbitrary[/i]. And I mean that literally. I just can't believe you're satisfied with that.
I have read bbarr's views on moral facts, he has not been very forth
coming of late, but to me it seems that all of his moral facts were
addressed towards an end, the human race at the center of it all. I
think that is a vague central point when it comes to moral facts for the
very reason there are more than a few of us running around the
planet at this point in time, and whose 'moral facts' or whose views on
what is good/best for the human race do we say is foundational to
a 'moral fact'? We can say everyone’s views are moral facts, but that
pollutes the word fact in my estimation and the true thing that is
going on is my main complaint, all we are really looking at are moral
opinions.
You asked me to reviews bbarrs methods he brought forward early on
which to view reality and glean what is and is not a moral fact, but
those were no better than opinions when I looked at them. You could
just as easily say Bob’s view or Harold’s view and so on. Which facts if
we go back to how we define that word it does not revolved around
personal opinion. With respect to God’s point of view I’m not sure
about that one, because He could just as easily look at the grand
scheme of things and announce what is good and just, due to the
universe as it stands or He might even say this is what I like and
mold the universe thus and so, He is God so I imagine He could be
doing it any way He wants.
If God looks at the universe and announces this is the ‘best’ way to
act that is quite different than when mankind does it on so many
levels. Without God in the picture than people like Hitler or other
rulers good or bad will be setting the bar for rest of us, with their
opinions. You can say and I’d agree with you that is going on now, but
I believe there is so much more going on now that we can say we (the
human race) are being put upon by the need to justify ourselves even
if it is just to ourselves, and this does not come by a human ruler
unless we are being questioned by those in power among us.
Kelly