This is spirituality forum. I have yet to see the “gospel” being preached here in 10 plus years.
So no one comes up to your high standard of announcing the gospel message ?
I suppose then that you neither see the gospel preached in all of the book of Romans.
Your lofty "standard" would eliminate Paul's preaching of Christ to the Romans in that book ?
" ... I am ready to preach the gospel to you also who are in Rome." (Rom. 1:15b)
If so he fails, then on what grounds would you say Paul fails to preach the gospel in the book of Romans?
@divegeester
Nothing jumped out at me.
Not sure how to count post number 53 either.
Anyway, I think the Gospel has been announced by a number of people, and not just me.
If you say you have never heard anything of the Christian Gospel here then you must be waiting to hear about "another Jesus".
Jesus is the Most High God incarnated as a man. Now God is declared as being "A God of truth and without iniquity; just and right is His:" (Deut. 32:4)
But you say I speak of God as a monster. You say I speak of God who is WITH iniquity.
Jesus is God incarnated. Even in His smiting the Israelites they confessed that God was just.
"But You are righteous in all that has come upon us, For You have acted faithfully while we have acted wickedly." (Neh. 9:33)
Even the honest ones under discipline admit that God was faithful and righteous, while THEY were wicked. But you say the judging Lamb and His Father in Revelation is a monster.
Is your Gospel expecting another Jesus ?
Jehovah is righteous in all His ways, And faithfully kind in all His doings. (v.17)
Jehovah is near to all who call upon Him,
To all who call upon Him in truth. (v.18)
He will fulfill the desire of those who fear Him,
And He will hear their cry and save them. (v.19)
Jehovah preserves all who love Him,
But He will destroy all the wicked. (v.20)
This is the God of the Bible. You say God that I talk about is a monster - He is NOT "righteous in all His ways" .
Maybe, that is why you never read about the Gospel on this Forum. You are expecting another God, another Son of God - one who is righteous only in SOME of His ways.
He will preserve the WICKED as well as those who call upon Him in truth. It is monstrous to you that to preserve those who call upon Him, He destroy the wicked who rather than call upon Him delight to blaspheme His name.
It says there He preserves those who love Him.
For you He is a monster for not preserving those who forever set themselves to hate Him and all that is His.
But to save the sinner He became sin Who knew no sin, that we might become the righteousness of God in Him. That is not good news to you apparently.
"Him who did not know sin He made sin on our behalf that we might become the righteousness of God in Him." ( 2 Cor. 5:21)
That has nothing to do with your "gospel" ??
@sonship saidIf you had posted "Both are equally welcomed" as a genuine sentiment of inclusivity, then we wouldn't have a problem.
For some people this is a Preach Atheism forum. And they do. And nobody stops them. And for some it is a Preach the Gospel of God Forum. Both are equally welcomed apparently.
Alas, you couldn't help but finish with the word 'apparently' which ties into the non-inclusive title of the thread - ' This is a Preach the Gospel Forum.'
@Ghost-of-a-Duke
Well, I firmly believe that the day will come when some readers will realize they had a friend here in me. Why? For the simple reason that I told them the truth.
@sonship saidThat day will never come. You and your doctrine are a product of Satan. Your latest attack against the doctrine of Christ was when you claimed that the Sermon on the Mount was simply about the early life of Christ. All of your teachings are meant to deny Christ and show the teachings of Christ to be false. You are an enemy of Christ and you and your Satanic doctrine will be cast into the lake of fire.
@Ghost-of-a-Duke
Well, I firmly believe that the day will come when some readers will realize they had a friend here in me. Why? For the simple reason that I told them the truth.
Some examples:
- Sermon on the Mount in Mat 5,6 and 7 - not meant for Christians to follow
- Judgment Day in Matt 25, not for Christians but for nations who assist Christians during Armageddon.
- Jesus said those who do good works will be rewarded with eternal life. You deny that.
- Paul said evil Christians will be destroyed - you say not true.
Your teachings lead people on a path to destruction. What is certain is that the day will come when all readers [not some] will realize that you are an enemy of Jesus Christ because your doctrine is full of lies.
@sonship saidDitto.
@Ghost-of-a-Duke
Well, I firmly believe that the day will come when some readers will realize they had a friend here in me. Why? For the simple reason that I told them the truth.
@Ghost-of-a-Duke
What truth are you telling us?
In the final breath you draw will you muse "Well, that certainly was interesting. I never did figure out who, what or why I was."
Is that the truth you have to tell us, Ditto style ?
@sonship said“O my brave Almighty Human, with the ever-effulgent flow of courage, conscience and compassion, turn yourself into a vivacious humanizer, and start walking with bold footsteps while eliminating racism, terminating misogyny, destroying homophobia and all other primitiveness that have turned humanity into the most inhuman species on earth.”
@Ghost-of-a-Duke
What truth are you telling us?
In the final breath you draw will you muse "Well, that certainly was interesting. I never did figure out who, what or why I was."
Is that the truth you have to tell us, Ditto style ?
Abhijit Naskar,
- Sermon on the Mount in Mat 5,6 and 7 - not meant for Christians to follow
Matthew and John compliment each other.
Matthew is a book of demand.
And John is a book of supply.
The kingdom of the heavens as a demand in Matthew is met by the kingdom of supplying divine life presented in John.
Matthew is spoken to His disciples. But it is really Jesus describing how He Himself lives. The supply to live such a highest standard of morality is presented in the Gospel of LIFE - John where man is born of God.
I know the NT better then you do.
- Judgment Day in Matt 25, not for Christians but for nations who assist Christians during Armageddon.
Matthew 25:31-46 is neither about the judgment seat of Christ for Christians or the last judgment of all mankind at the end of the millennial age. It is about Christ's judging the nations left alive on the earth at the time of His coming again.
- Jesus said those who do good works will be rewarded with eternal life. You deny that.
He said to the saved sheep to enter into eternal life.
For the saints to reign in the millennium there must be peoples over which they reign.
These nations will furnish the peoples on the earth during the millennium over which the sons of God will reign and to which saved Israel will be priests.
They are not born again. But they are restored to the state Adam and Eve were in before they fell.
This has been explained carefully before. It goes completely over your head because you do not know prophecy or the Scriptures well enough.
- Paul said evil Christians will be destroyed - you say not true.
If anyone's work which he has built upon the foundation remains, he will receive a reward.
If anyone's work is consumed, he will suffer loss, but he himself will be saved, yet so as through fire." (1 Cor. 3:14,15)
As far as I am concerned you have never successfully refuted this explanation. This is just repetition.
One day I may devote a thread solely to the word "destroy" and "destroyed" to see how it is used in the Bible. But not for your sake will I labor on this, but for the sake of some others who doubt you know what you're talking about.
The net effect is, I think, a proper presentation of the truth gives more of an incentive to want to obey the Lord then what you offer.
@Ghost-of-a-Duke
I think you should take a month - read each morning three chapters in the Old Testament and one chapter in the New Testament.
And I think you should read it with a willingness to be changed by the Holy Spirit.
But it is a suggestion. Three in the Old - saying "Amen" to everything you read + one in the New - saying "Amen" to everything you read - each day for a couple of weeks. Hopefully until you become addicted to the living, nourishing, supplying, faith building, God infusing word of God. Amen.
There is power in trusting God and declaring "Amen" to whatever you read in the Bible. The Holy Spirit of God will illuminate what He would into your being.
@sonship saidI think you should go to university and study the OT for 3 years.
@Ghost-of-a-Duke
I think you should take a month - read each morning three chapters in the Old Testament and one chapter in the New Testament.
Fill in the gaps in your understanding.
@sonship saidYour boast of knowledge that you believe to be superior to others is your failing. The Good Samaritan, the sheep of Christ, the good workers, have no knowledge neither do they need knowledge. Jesus welcomes all the righteous who did good works into the Kingdom of God.
@Rajk999- Sermon on the Mount in Mat 5,6 and 7 - not meant for Christians to follow
Matthew and John compliment each other.
Matthew is a book of demand.
And John is a book of supply.
The kingdom of the heavens as a demand in Matthew is met by the kingdom of supplying divine life presented in John.
Matthew is spoken ...[text shortened]... r presentation of the truth gives more of an incentive to want to obey the Lord then what you offer.
The boasters of the Holy Spirit, the "Lord Lord" faith types, the miracle workers, the bible experts, who do not follow the commandments of Christ will be cast, knowledge and all into the lake of fire.
I think you should go to university and study the OT for 3 years.
Fill in the gaps in your understanding.
That might be profitable.
How about gaps in your experience?
I don't want to just know about God.
I want to know God.
You don't believe He is the living God, this God of the OT.
"Knowledge puffs up. But loves builds up."
Of importance to this thread is God's love for what is right has its necessary other side - His hatred from what is unrighteous.
Some seem not to understand that the one brings with it the other.
We were talking about extraordinary evidence. The death of Christ on the cross is both extraordinary evidence of God's love for sinners and extraordinary evidence for God's hatred of sin.
It is extraordinary and of no human imagination, that the Son of God became sin on our behalf ... THAT ... we who believe might become the righteousness of God in Him.
Such a one as Jesus - sinless, perfect, God caused to become sin on our behalf to demonstrate His love for sinners and His hatred for the abomination of sin.
It is extraordinary evidence which I cannot accept is the product of any human imagination.
God is the ground of being and the supreme reality. If God says on the cross Christ was made sin on our behalf, how can we say what God Almighty decrees is not real. He defines reality.
He says, He so loved that He made Christ sin on our behalf, that we might become "the righteousness of God in Him". It is beyond good news, this Second Corinthians 5:21.