Three wise former gays

Originally posted by sonship

Well ok but HIV is a sexually transmitted disease that is a problem for everyone, and is not a gay specific problem.

No, it is not just "ok" to me. He was persuaded and preyed upon with eloquent arguments. Now he is gone. He helped others in their last days. Then his time came around.

I did not say that causes for such deviation s ...[text shortened]... ersaults they will have to put their little minds through to understand your social experiment ?

It is artificial.... yeah it is!

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
a child with same sex parents risks absolute stigmatization, especially with two dudes and no matter how politically correct your namby pamby liberal ideas are, they will get ripped at school making their life an absolute misery. When will you realise that the natural order of male and female is the ultimate and to deny a child this loving arrangement is a deprivation.

So your argument against having same sex parents isn't that it's wrong but
that the kids will be picked on by homophobic bigots such as yourself...

Nice self fulfilling prophecy.

Life is hell because we intend to make it so.


However, and I know how much you care about this, the evidence is that kids
with gay parents grow up just as fine and healthy as kids with non gay parents.

Which means that regardless of what you think, reality is doing it's own thing.

I will never "realise that the natural order of male and female is the ultimate and
to deny a child this loving arrangement is a deprivation" because it is not true.


And I will happily continue to hammer those pathetic pieces of scum like you who
say such bigoted bullcrap.

Originally posted by googlefudge
So your argument against having same sex parents isn't that it's wrong but
that the kids will be picked on by homophobic bigots such as yourself...

Nice self fulfilling prophecy.

Life is hell because we intend to make it so.


However, and I know how much you care about this, the evidence is that kids
with gay parents grow up just as fine an ...[text shortened]... ppily continue to hammer those pathetic pieces of scum like you who
say such bigoted bullcrap.

no thats not my argument at all,

I am not a kid, I no longer attend school but the reality is that children are often quite cruel and have none of the pretentious politically correct namby pamby jive talk that you espouse, you by your action will make them an object of ridicule because of your artificial anti nature stance. That is my argument.

Again whether they allegedly grow up as fine and healthy is yet to be determined, there are studies which indicate quite the contrary, but that is not the point either, you are intent on depriving them of being under the care and protection of natures ultimate standard, stable loving heterosexual parents and instead are content to give them a second rate artificial upbringing in an unnatural environment. That is the point, I hope you get it this time I will not repeat it.

You hammer nothing, you are a toothless lion, your arguments weak and beggarly, your hatred self reciprocating, your bigotry and bias hypocritical.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
a child with same sex parents risks absolute stigmatization, especially with two dudes and no matter how politically correct your namby pamby liberal ideas are, they will get ripped at school making their life an absolute misery. When will you realise that the natural order of male and female is the ultimate and to deny a child this loving arrangement is a deprivation.

That's a curious argument from someone who has a mixed race child, from what I guess, is a predominantly white area. I seem to recall you mentioning in the past racial slurs directed against your mixed race son. You're happy to knock down social barriers pertaining to racial discrimination yet not sexuality.

And all the evidence indicates that children with loving same sex parents do just as well, and are as well adjusted
as children with opposite sex parents.

Nope.
Kids without a father for example are more likely to run away from home.
They are more likely to have school problems and drop out.
They are more likely to go to jail.
They are more likely to commit suicide.

Kids need a dad and a mom.
That is a genuine male dad and a genuine female mom.

You see the reason the homosexual activists want homosexual marriage is not because all the homosexual couples want to get married. Most prefer to remain uncommitted to a long term relationship.

The ones who do want it want to be seen as validated in the eyes of society. If the government endorses and supports homosexual marriage then that give it a respectability that they are just like every heterosexual marriage.

It is not an issue of tolerance. It is an issue of using the government to gain social validation.

Originally posted by sonship

And all the evidence indicates that children with loving same sex parents do just as well, and are as well adjusted
as children with opposite sex parents.

Nope.
Kids without a father for example are more likely to run away from home.
They are more likely to go to jail.
They are more likely to commit suicide.

Kids need a dad ...[text shortened]... is not an issue of tolerance. It is an issue of using the government to gain social validation.

You are lying and wrong.

And I'm done with you on this topic.

You are a pathetic homophobic bigot, and deserve only to be ignored.

Originally posted by sonship

And all the evidence indicates that children with loving same sex parents do just as well, and are as well adjusted
as children with opposite sex parents.

Nope.
Kids without a father for example are more likely to run away from home.
They are more likely to go to jail.
They are more likely to commit suicide.

Kids need a dad ...[text shortened]... is not an issue of tolerance. It is an issue of using the government to gain social validation.

Here's a question for you. Would you rather have a child remain in a care home or be placed in a home with a same sex couple?

You are a pathetic homophobic bigot, and deserve only to be ignored.

In my last Thanksgiving day dinner I had three homosexual people around the dinner table. That was my sister and her lover plus an old gay friend of them both. And other family relatives were present.

You cannot jump to conclusions too quickly. It is easy. But you may not be right.

One can have a firm opinion and still not be bigoted. And being persuaded one can treat people with Christian love and respect.

Originally posted by sonship

You are a pathetic homophobic bigot, and deserve only to be ignored.

In my last Thanksgiving day dinner I had three homosexual people around the dinner table. That was my sister and her lover plus an old gay friend of them both.

You cannot jump to conclusions too quickly. It is easy. But you may not be right.

One can have a ...[text shortened]... d still not be bigoted and being persuaded one can treat people with Christian love and respect.

Read this article, it sum's up what I think of that perfectly.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/outward/2014/01/06/should_you_respect_gay_people_if_you_find_homosexuality_immoral.html

Should You Respect Gay People If You Find Homosexuality Immoral?

Of late, many opponents of gay equality have taken pains to insist that, whatever they think of homosexuality, they not only love gay people, they also respect them. It’s the latest incarnation of “hate the sin, love the sinner.”

Defending himself against allegations by punter Chris Kluwe that he went on an anti-gay tirade in the Minnesota Vikings locker room, special teams coach Mike Priefer released a statement denying that he said gays would burn in hell and claiming he was “respectful of all individuals.” Charlie Crist, the former Republican governor of Florida who is now running to re-take the office as a Democrat, gave an interview to an LGBTQ website apologizing for his earlier anti-gay positions. “I love everyone!” he giggled, explaining that his parents “raised us to love everyone” and be nice to everyone until you no longer could. Even the pope has now said that Catholics should not judge gay people, despite official church doctrine viewing them as “intrinsically disordered.”

Is this what it’s come to? Should we really strive to respect all individuals, love everyone, and judge no one? I get that the cultural left has tried to suspend judgment since some time around the 1960s, and I’m sympathetic to the effort (though I think they’ve gone too far—judgment can sometimes be a good and necessary thing). But is this really what folks who view homosexuality as a profound moral wrong actually believe?

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You are lying and wrong.

And I'm done with you on this topic.

Kids without one parent do not fare AS well as kids with two parents.

Now, I'll grant you that when it comes to statistics and surveys it is sometimes who you ask that makes some difference.

I did not say "Kids with no fathers commit suicide." I said kids with no fathers statistically are shown to have HIGHER rates of suicide.

If you want to counter that argument, you should try to gather up your proof that kids in homosexual parenting situations go against that trend.

But it may be too soon to tell. As it stands I think it is pretty well established that if a dad is not present in the parenting, those kids do not fare as well in a number of areas.

Originally posted by googlefudge
Read this article, it sum's up what I think of that perfectly.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/outward/2014/01/06/should_you_respect_gay_people_if_you_find_homosexuality_immoral.html

[b]Should You Respect Gay People If You Find Homosexuality Immoral?

Of late, many opponents of gay equality have taken pains to insist that, whatever they ...[text shortened]... ho view homosexuality as a profound moral wrong actually believe?

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Googlefudge, I am not going to let you get away with dismissing me as a hateful bigot that easily.

My sister of over 50 years old and I have known where each of us stands for over 20 years easily. There is some mutual respect there.

You see googlefudge, I have Jesus I can pray to and ask Him how I should treat people. I don't just go and do stuff. I ask for God's guidance and He is faithful.

You know Jesus was called the Friend of Sinners. And I want to be like my Lord Jesus. He is alive and His Spirit dwells in my spirit.

My sister and I do not discuss this matter. She knows that I am a lover of the Bible and I know that she is a homosexual. Maybe one day we will talk. I don't know.

You need to assure yourself that I am hateful as a rational not to listen to some sound reasoning.

Any and all and every sin of man can be forgiven to those who come to the Lord Jesus for salvation. Any and Every and ALL sins may be forgiven men who come to Jesus Christ.

Originally posted by sonship
Googlefudge, I am not going to let you get away with dismissing me as a hateful bigot that easily.

My sister of over 50 years old and I have known where each of us stands for over 20 years easily. There is some mutual respect there.

You see googlefudge, I have Jesus I can pray to and ask Him how I should treat people. I don't just go and do stuf ...[text shortened]... [b]Any and Every and ALL sins may be forgiven men who come to Jesus Christ.[/b]

You need to assure yourself that I am hateful as a rational not to listen to some sound reasoning.

Again with telling me how and why I think... And again with being wrong.

You really should stop doing that.

You have a zero accuracy track record.


No I think you are a homophobic bigot BECAUSE of the 'sound reasoning' you spew on the topic.

And neither god nor JC exist.

Neither does any afterlife.

They are fictional characters from a bad story.

Originally posted by Proper Knob
Here's a question for you. Would you rather have a child remain in a care home or be placed in a home with a same sex couple?

sigh would you rather a child be placed in a natural and loving environment or an unnatural and artificial one?

Originally posted by Proper Knob
That's a curious argument from someone who has a mixed race child, from what I guess, is a predominantly white area. I seem to recall you mentioning in the past racial slurs directed against your mixed race son. You're happy to knock down social barriers pertaining to racial discrimination yet not sexuality.

mixed race? there is one race, its termed the human race! sexuality is not race and i mock your pretensions that it is, people change their sexual habits all the time and unless you're Michael Jackson I have yet to see someone from a specific ethnicity manage to change their racial characteristics, perhaps you can direct me to them?

Originally posted by googlefudge
You are lying and wrong.

And I'm done with you on this topic.

You are a pathetic homophobic bigot, and deserve only to be ignored.

Looooooser!