Three wise former gays

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
I am me! robbie2great, I decide who lacerates their bodies and who does not!

No you really don't.

You are a singular and pathetically deluded individual in a small and irrelevant nasty little cult.

Nobody outside of which gives a damn about your opinion.

Society at large is vastly more moral and compassionate and empathetic than you are.

Which is why we live in largely and overwhelmingly* peaceful and tolerant times.

Which is fortunate for you, because in other times you could well have been lynched for
not fitting in.

*compared to any other period of history.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
That humans were created male and female, yes, its in the book of Genesis setting out Gods standard. Some persons because of genetic imperfection may be an anomaly to nature but this is not a direct act of their own volition unlike those who choose to lacerate their body parts.

is there scripture dictating that its wrong to change sex? is there any scripture dictating what constitutes as being male?

Originally posted by googlefudge
No you really don't.

You are a singular and pathetically deluded individual in a small and irrelevant nasty little cult.

Nobody outside of which gives a damn about your opinion.

Society at large is vastly more moral and compassionate and empathetic than you are.

Which is why we live in largely and overwhelmingly[b]* peaceful and tolerant ...[text shortened]... ve been lynched for
not fitting in.

*compared to any other period of history.[/b]

if you don't care why did you ask, strange, there there it will be alright didums, you are just too negative today, you need to do something to help you feel positive, spending your time here trying to negate everything has turned you into a very negatively and emotionally charged individual, think about something nice, like ice cream, or a nice sunny place, you'll feel better.

How any wars did your peaceful society engage in last century. How many did my insignificant little cult, point proven, now try to feel better.

Originally posted by stellspalfie
is there scripture dictating that its wrong to change sex? is there any scripture dictating what constitutes as being male?

no as far as i can tell the Bible does not mention plastic surgery, then again it does not mention killing someone with a gun either. There is certainly a scripture which states that its wrong for a man to wear a women's clothes, now that is going to be difficulty for your newly created man-woman to navigate, isn't it.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
if you don't care why did you ask, strange, there there it will be alright didums, you are just too negative today, you need to do something to help you feel positive, spending your time here trying to negate everything has turned you into a very negatively and emotionally charged individual, think about something nice, like ice cream, or a nice sunn ...[text shortened]... n last century. How many did my insignificant little cult, point proven, now try to feel better.

isnt your support for this practice rather sexist, i mean its not as if a woman can become a man is it, that's hardly fair now is it, woa, shock horror your namby pamby liberal world is ravaged with inequality, how can this be? the shame of it!

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
no as far as i can tell the Bible does not mention plastic surgery, then again it does not mention killing someone with a gun either. There is certainly a scripture which states that its wrong for a man to wear a women's clothes, now that is going to be difficulty for your newly created man-woman to navigate, isn't it.

if there is no scripture, how do you know cosmetic surgery to change sexual organs is wrong?

if there is no scripture defining exactly what a man is, how do you know that god is against being a transsexual. as a transsexual still has male chromosomes, god may still view them as male. if they have a penis or not maybe irrelevant to god.......how do you know?

"now that is going to be difficulty for your newly created man-woman to navigate, isn't it"

it would cause a transvestite issues but not a transsexual. is your god really that petty he worries about women putting on mens clothes?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
hardly, unless of course you are willing to contend that we are not free moral agents responsible for our own actions, are you? no? well shad-up-a-yo face you namby pamby pandering weakling.

So what's next? Prostitutes? Tax collectors? Money changers?

Originally posted by Suzianne
So what's next? Prostitutes? Tax collectors? Money launderers?

my tax collecting atheistic money laundering prostitute friends are welcome, what about yours?

Originally posted by ThinkOfOne
You seem to have not understood the meaning of my post. Be that as it may, regarding Matthew 7:12, the points and questions that you avoided addressing were these:
[quote]Try looking to Jesus if you want guidance on this issue:

I was pointing out that you did not address the above. That means actually address the germane points raised above. You still have not done so.

Matthew 7
12So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets.

With that in mind, you should ask yourself what harm a homosexual couple in a loving, caring relationship does to anyone else. You should also ask yourself if you would have others coerce or otherwise force you out of your sexual orientation (in your case heterosexuality).

In terms of good laws for the country, I think that opposite sex marriages should be encouraged and endorsed by the federal and state government. I don't think same sex marriages should be endorsed by the federal or state government. I care because I think it is not good for the health of the nation.

I think a man / woman family is better for the health of the children involved. The family of one man / one woman is the best for domesticating males, who otherwise have a very predatory nature.

I am not advocating busting into people's bedrooms and dragging out homosexuals. I am favoring the government endorsement of traditional monogamous heterosexual marriages for the health of society over against government endorsement of homosexual marriages.

I know you would like to solicit Jesus to encourage me to lock myself in a private prayer closet and keep out of other people's business. But as a citizen of this society, I have the right to vocalize my opinion about laws as to whether I find them helpful or hurtful to the society.

Someone may complain that there are a lot of heterosexual marriages ending in divorce, damaged children, etc. I acknowledge that. I don't think that when a society has one sickness the answer is to endorse another one.

Originally posted by sonship
[quote] Matthew 7
12So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets.

With that in mind, you should ask yourself what harm a homosexual couple in a loving, caring relationship does to anyone else. You should also ask yourself if you would have others coerce or otherwise force you out of your s ...[text shortened]... e that. I don't think that when a society has one sickness the answer is to endorse another one.

C'mon Jaywill, focus.

Nowhere does my post speak about what laws are good for the country.

Nowhere does my post speak about families and children.

Nowhere does my post speak about you "advocating busting into people's bedrooms and dragging out homosexuals."

Nowhere does my post speak about government endorsement of marriage.

Nowhere does my post speak about you not speaking your opinion.

Nowhere does my post speak about issues regarding heterosexual marriages.

The matter at hand is what Matthew 7:12 says and statements that follow:

Matthew 7
12So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets.

With that in mind, you should ask yourself what harm a homosexual couple in a loving, caring relationship does to anyone else. You should also ask yourself if you would have others coerce or otherwise force you out of your sexual orientation (in your case heterosexuality).

Once again I'm asking that you to actually address the germane points of what's quoted above. You have a real habit of avoiding the difficult points and questions.

Originally posted by ThinkOfOne
C'mon Jaywill, focus.

Nowhere does my post speak about what laws are good for the country.

Nowhere does my post speak about families and children.

Nowhere does my post speak about you "advocating busting into people's bedrooms and dragging out homosexuals."

Nowhere does my post speak about government endorsement of marriage.

Nowhere does m ...[text shortened]... ts of what's quoted above. You have a real habit of avoiding the difficult points and questions.

I answered the question from a biblical standpoint and you didn't like it. Evasion, you said.

I answered it from are more sociological / political standpoint with much less regard for the spiritual, and you don't like that either.

So I conclude that whatever I answer, your charge will be that I am evading the question.

Originally posted by sonship
[b.... I don't think same sex marriages should be endorsed by the federal or state government. I care because I think it is not good for the health of the nation.
[/b]

Unfortunately for you the facts do not support what "you think".
Perhaps a little more thinking time is in order?

Originally posted by sonship
I answered the question from a biblical standpoint and you didn't like it. Evasion, you said.

I answered it from are more sociological / political standpoint with much less regard for the spiritual, and you don't like that either.

So I conclude that whatever I answer, your charge will be that I am evading the question.

The fact of the matter is that you still have not directly addressed the germane points of what follows:

Matthew 7
12So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets.

With that in mind, you should ask yourself what harm a homosexual couple in a loving, caring relationship does to anyone else. You should also ask yourself if you would have others coerce or otherwise force you out of your sexual orientation (in your case heterosexuality).

Thus far you have only gone off on tangents.

I'd appreciate it if you'd directly address what's in the quote box above.

So I conclude that whatever I answer, your charge will be that I am evading the question.

Well you could try directly addressing what's in the quote box above instead of going off on tangents.

Matthew 7
12So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets.

With that in mind, you should ask yourself what harm a homosexual couple in a loving, caring relationship does to anyone else. You should also ask yourself if you would have others coerce or otherwise force you out of your sexual orientation (in your case heterosexuality).

With Matthew 7:12 firmly fixed in my mind,

1.) The homosexual harms himself in pursuit of his unbridled sexual quest.

2.) The homosexual harms the "partner" in pursuit of his or her loss of self control.

3.) The homosexual harms the surrounding society in his or her drive for government revenue to support the benefits of "same sex marriage".

4.) The homosexual harms the child brought up to have had to substitute a mom and a dad for two moms sexually involved or two dads sexually involved.

That is the harm caused by promotion of the homosexual unions.
Add this to my so-called tangential replies above.

Originally posted by sonship
[quote] Matthew 7
12So in everything, do to others what you would have them do to you, for this sums up the Law and the Prophets.

With that in mind, you should ask yourself what harm a homosexual couple in a loving, caring relationship does to anyone else. You should also ask yourself if you would have others coerce or otherwise force you out of your sex ...[text shortened]... used by promotion of the homosexual unions.
Add this to my so-called tangential replies above.

Well 1 through 4 are all wrong...

But I find 4 especially note-worthily wrong.

It is factually incorrect to say that children raised by same sex parents are harmed in any way.

Study after study has shown that what matters is having loving parents.

Their gender and sexual orientation are irrelevant.