Three wise former gays

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
I reject your pretense, nature has decreed that the ultimate in care is derived from a loving mother and a father in a stable heterosexual marriage, all else is simply artificial and second best.

can nature be improved upon?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
I reject your pretense, nature has decreed that the ultimate in care is derived from a loving mother and a father in a stable heterosexual marriage, all else is simply artificial and second best.

False, and naturalistic fallacy.

You have no evidence that gay parents are inferior to non-gay parents.
The reason being that they are just as good.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
then let the slurs that were leveled against me also be retracted!

Nope. They were all true.

Originally posted by googlefudge
Nope. They were all true.

fine googlylord, have it your way!

Originally posted by googlefudge
False, and naturalistic fallacy.

You have no evidence that gay parents are inferior to non-gay parents.
The reason being that they are just as good.

true and excellent, both mothers and fathers contribute qualities that combined make them the best parents, same sex unions are artificial and unnatural and simply cannot as a consequence provide the same care. Its the difference between breast milk and artificial milk, the latter might work but its not natures best.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
I think it sums up his convivial and vivacious personality and you say nothing about the slurs that were leveled against me, why not, more bias 😀

But you are ignorant and bigoted. I mean, you actually admitted to being ignorant for example on this very forum.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
true and excellent, both mothers and fathers contribute qualities that combined make them the best parents, same sex unions are artificial and unnatural and simply cannot as a consequence provide the same care. Its the difference between breast milk and artificial milk, the latter might work but its not natures best.

so, answer the question sonship could not. what qualities do specifically only men have when it comes to parenting.

Originally posted by stellspalfie
so, answer the question sonship could not. what qualities do specifically only men have when it comes to parenting.

I think sonship answered this admirably when he pointed out with reference to delinquent children without a father from which one can deduce that it can be attributed to a lack of discipline.

Originally posted by Proper Knob
But you are ignorant and bigoted. I mean, you actually admitted to being ignorant for example on this very forum.

On the contrary i am rather erudite and probably the most willing to embrace diversity anywhere, after all, i do hold that all are free moral agents responsible for their own actions, but its ok, you let your bias decide, its ok when robbie gets insulted, isn't it.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
I think sonship answered this admirably when he pointed out with reference to delinquent children without a father, which one can deduce can be attributed to a lack of discipline.

Correlation does not equal causation.

And 'fathers' are not the sole guardians of discipline.

The study was looking at SINGLE parents, which are most often but not always mothers.

There are lots of studies that show that having two parents is better then one.

It doesn't matter if they are same sex or different sex.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
On the contrary i am rather erudite and probably the most willing to embrace diversity anywhere, after all, i do hold that all are free moral agents responsible for their own actions, but its ok, you let your bias decide, its ok when robbie gets insulted, isn't it.

Being erudite [and I question that] doesn't mean you're not ignorant.

It just means you have a better vocabulary to express your ignorance in.

EDIT: yep, I got that one wrong. mixed up erudite and eloquent.
This doesn't change the fact that you [Robbie] are neither.

Originally posted by googlefudge
Correlation does not equal causation.

And 'fathers' are not the sole guardians of discipline.

The study was looking at SINGLE parents, which are most often but not always mothers.

There are lots of studies that show that having two parents is better then one.

It doesn't matter if they are same sex or different sex.

no one is saying that it is, and no one is saying that they are and single parent fathers are way more rare but clearly a disparity exists between delinquency and those without a father which you cannot explain away with purely rhetorical arguments

Originally posted by googlefudge
Being erudite [and I question that] doesn't mean you're not ignorant.

It just means you have a better vocabulary to express your ignorance in.

one cannot know everything, our time is finite and no that would be eloquent or articulate

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
no one is saying that it is, and no one is saying that they are and single parent fathers are way more rare but clearly a disparity exists between delinquency and those without a father which you cannot explain away with purely rhetorical arguments

Well that nicely demonstrates that you are not eloquent.

That doesn't even make sense.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
I think sonship answered this admirably when he pointed out with reference to delinquent children without a father from which one can deduce that it can be attributed to a lack of discipline.

and men give discipline do they? could it be more likely that having two parents means the load is shared and that two parents can support each other when disciplining children. the concept of a disciplinarian father is rather archaic dont you think?