Three wise former gays

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
On the contrary i am rather erudite and probably the most willing to embrace diversity anywhere, after all, i do hold that all are free moral agents responsible for their own actions, but its ok, you let your bias decide, its ok when robbie gets insulted, isn't it.

Again, there seems to be a massive disconnect between how you think you come across and how you actually come across.

Originally posted by stellspalfie
and men give discipline do they? could it be more likely that having two parents means the load is shared and that two parents can support each other when disciplining children. the concept of a disciplinarian father is rather archaic dont you think?

again no one is saying that the mother cannot administer discipline, the Bible (peace be upon it) itself states that a son should listen to the discipline of his mother.

Originally posted by Proper Knob
Again, there seems to be a massive disconnect between how you think you come across and how you actually come across.

you think.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
again no one is saying that the mother cannot administer discipline, the Bible (peace be upon it) itself states that a son should listen to the discipline of his mother.

i asked what attribute a father uniquely brings to parenting.

you said - he brings discipline.

you then said - mothers also bring discipline.

so once again i ask - what attribute does a father uniquely bring to parenting?

Originally posted by stellspalfie
i asked what attribute a father uniquely brings to parenting.

you said - he brings discipline.

you then said - mothers also bring discipline.

so once again i ask - what attribute does a father uniquely bring to parenting?

no one is saying that he uniquely brings anything (what was actually stated was that a mother and a father bring combined qualities that is sanctioned by nature) and what i actually said is that the data provided by jaywill demonstrates that lack of a father can contribute to delinquency,

what is it with you? more free bird seed? when will you coyotes learn?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
no one is saying that he uniquely brings anything (what was actually stated was that a mother and a father bring combined qualities that is sanctioned by nature) and what i actually said is that the data provided by jaywill demonstrates that lack of a father can contribute to delinquency,

what is it with you? more free bird seed? when will you coyotes learn?

if a father brings no unique qualities, what is it that a mother and father uniquely bring that two fathers or two mothers cannot bring?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
no one is saying that he uniquely brings anything (what was actually stated was that a mother and a father bring combined qualities that is sanctioned by nature) and what i actually said is that the data provided by jaywill demonstrates that lack of a father can contribute to delinquency,

what is it with you? more free bird seed? when will you coyotes learn?

You have not given any examples of 'combined qualities' that are not present in gay
relationships.

Also nature doesn't sanction anything, it has no mind.

Being natural doesn't mean being good, cyanide is natural.
The pigeons in my garden are constantly trying to rape each other.

The 'data' provided by jaywill merely demonstrates that a single parent is less good
than a pair of parents. It does nothing to demonstrate that two same sex parents
are less good than two opposite sex parents.

Originally posted by googlefudge
You have not given any examples of 'combined qualities' that are not present in gay
relationships.

Also nature doesn't sanction anything, it has no mind.

Being natural doesn't mean being good, cyanide is natural.
The pigeons in my garden are constantly trying to rape each other.

The 'data' provided by jaywill merely demonstrates that a single ...[text shortened]... nothing to demonstrate that two same sex parents
are less good than two opposite sex parents.

yes I have, two women cannot provide a father and two men cannot provide a mother, i thought that was obvious, apparently not obvious enough. We are not talking of cyanide, we are talking of families and a mother and a father are clearly the best for between them they provide a unique blend of qualities which is simply impossible for same sex couples to provide on that basis.

Originally posted by stellspalfie
if a father brings no unique qualities, what is it that a mother and father uniquely bring that two fathers or two mothers cannot bring?

I have not said that he brings no unique qualities and I have not said that he does not, until you learn to stop making silly houses of straw i suspect that its pointless discussing the matter with you for its ultimately rather tedious blowing them down, i don't mind one or two but not a whole street of straw houses,

the big bad wolf.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
yes I have, two women cannot provide a father and two men cannot provide a mother, i thought that was obvious, apparently not obvious enough. We are not talking of cyanide, we are talking of families and a mother and a father are clearly the best for between them they provide a unique blend of qualities which is simply impossible for same sex couples to provide on that basis.

"yes I have, two women cannot provide a father"

if a father has no unique qualities (as you have stated) then why do they need to provide one?

they provide a unique blend of qualities which is simply impossible for same sex couples

a 'blend' would indicate that they each bring something unique. if they do not then it is not a blend. so do they have individual qualities associated with their gender or not.

you are getting in a real mess here robbie.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
I have not said that he brings no unique qualities and I have not said that he does not, until you learn to stop making silly houses of straw i suspect that its pointless discussing the matter with you for its ultimately rather tedious blowing them down, i don't mind one or two but not a whole street of straw houses,

the big bad wolf.

okay, if a father does bring unique qualities what are they?

Originally posted by stellspalfie
[b]"yes I have, two women cannot provide a father"

if a father has no unique qualities (as you have stated) then why do they need to provide one?

they provide a unique blend of qualities which is simply impossible for same sex couples

a 'blend' would indicate that they each bring something unique. if they do not then it is not a blen ...[text shortened]... al qualities associated with their gender or not.

you are getting in a real mess here robbie.[/b]

on the contrary i have not stated that he uniquely brings anything and i have not stated that he does not what i have actually stated is that both of them combined bring a unique blend and on the contrary there is no mess except the trail of straw from the straw houses that you like to construct, will you stop attributing values to me that i have not professed and subsequently basing arguments on the premise of those false values. Its dishonest and a misrepresentation of my position.

Originally posted by stellspalfie
okay, if a father does bring unique qualities what are they?

what are what? Its is clear that a mother and a father are compliments to each other, the sacred scriptures and nature tell us as much.

Imagine a small child craving the tenderness of a nursing mother only to look up and see two dudes? the icky factor would blow the kids mind!

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
on the contrary i have not stated that he uniquely brings anything and i have not stated that he does not what i have actually stated is that both of them combined bring a unique blend and on the contrary there is no mess except the trail of straw from the straw houses that you like to construct, will you stop attributing values to me that i have not ...[text shortened]... ents on the premise of those false values. Its dishonest and a misrepresentation of my position.

i will repeat. if they bring a unique blend. then both are bringing unique qualities associated with their gender. if they are not bringing qualities associated with their gender then a same sex couple can make the same blend. this is simple stuff robbie.

to make a blend at least two things must be added. lets call the thing the man brings 'x' and the thing a woman brings 'y'

can 'x' be found anywhere else accept in a man?
can 'y' be found anywhere else accept a woman?

if the man brings 'x' and the woman brings 'x' then the same combination can be found with
woman brings 'x' and another woman brings 'x' or
man brings 'x' and another man brings 'x'

so what is it robbie?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
what are what? Its is clear that a mother and a father are compliments to each other, the sacred scriptures and nature tell us as much.

Imagine a small child craving the tenderness of a nursing mother only to look up and see two dudes? the icky factor would blow the kids mind!

so a 'nursing tenderness' is only found in woman?

and

do all woman have a 'nursing tenderness'?