@FMF
Playing with hypotheticals is something not unfamiliar to me.
I've thought on such things many times.
Did you know that Christians do sometimes think about questions like that?
@fmf saidEverything required was given. More times than not we know the difference between what we should do and not. The 4AM me when I get up for work is either very happy or sad at the choices the 9PM me made the night before by either going to bed or something else.
In your analogy, does the doctor explain exactly what cancer is and what it's like to die from it when he tells his patients not to smoke [for example]?
Now in the "spirit" of the OP -
If God Himself could not convince Adam to make the right choice and avoid rebellion, I don't think you or I or "we" or anyone on this side of the fall could have done so.
God warned him and he deliberately disobeyed.
I don't think you or I could have then changed his mind with a warning.
But I am not making a major doctrinal formula about it.
@kellyjay said"Everything required was given"? Why on Earth would the doctor not give an explaination about exactly what cancer is and what it's like to die from it?
Everything required was given. More times than not we know the difference between what we should do and not. The 4AM me when I get up for work is either very happy or sad at the choices the 9PM me made the night before by either going to bed or something else.
@sonship saidIf Adam and Eve had been given, by the traveller, a sudden vivid premonition about, say, the slaughter and depravity of the C20th, something you attribute to their disobedience, perhaps they wouldn't have eaten the fruit.
God warned him and he deliberately disobeyed. I don't think you or I could have then changed his mind with a warning.
If the Hebrew God had given them that sudden vivid premonition about the C20th, and they hadn't "fallen", maybe there would have been no slaughter and depravity in the C20th... according to this thought exercise, anyway, which is, of course, about the moral question mark over God's choices in this story.
@FMF
Why are you still trying to blame God for the rebellion of His creatures created with the freedom of will to do so?
At some point it should be realized that to CHOOSE against the will of God is an option.
We need to sit down and think good and hard about the sheer awesomeness of our ability to CHOOSE toward God or to CHOOSE against Him.
@sonship saidI am asking what did God do to prevent 6,000 years of human suffering? Did he do everything he possibly could to convince Adam and Eve that the "fallen state" would involve such abject misery?
Why are you still trying to blame God for the rebellion of His creatures created with the freedom of will to do so?
Were God's efforts [to convince the only two humans he'd created up to that point about the consequences of eating the fruit] ...were his efforts morally sound?
