Originally posted by robbie carrobieOne thing I can say is that Christ's true disciples are not Jehovah's Witnesses.
when Jesus said 'you will know them by their fruits', he was talking of the enemies
of Christ, not the disciples as you have erroneously assumed. Please tell the forum
why you have attempted to state that Jesus was making reference to the disciples
when he stated, 'you will know them by their fruits', when it is self evident that he was
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by application of Gods word, Biblical fact and self evident truth.
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-Removed-well duh! 'those men', as in remote from the disciples, as in not the disciples, as in
false prophets, as in diametrically opposed to the disciples, in fact there is no
mention of the disciples in the entire passage, you are as usual talking pure
unadulterated pants! why? because you think your opinions are equivalent to
Biblical truth that's how far removed from reality your assertions have actually
become and its reflective of the folly of those who seek to impose their agenda upon
scripture rather than let scripture speak for itself. Here is what the Bible actually
states,
1. true disciples can be recognised by the love they have among themselves
2. true disciples would preach the Good News of of Kingdom until the conclusion of the system
3. true disciples would be no part of the world,
4. true disciples would make Gods name manifest,
5. true disciples would have a high regard for and be cleansed by application of Gods word.
You may make reference to what is actually in the Bible, your opinions have no
relevance to anyone but you, they are not self evident Biblical truths, unlike the
above, which can be established Biblically. If you dont want to look ridiculous in the
future, try sticking to what's actually in the Bible, you may do better.
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Well he did stick to what's in the bible. Pointedly so. I think divegeester's last post - with its verbatim quotation from the Bible - deserves a better response, robbie. Your 1. 2. 3. 4. 5. assertions are not taken from the bible but are your selective reworded version which supports your own opinions. This "by their fruit you will recognize them" thing is actually quite interesting. I suggest you have another go.
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Originally posted by FMF'they are not taken from the Bible', a rather fatal flaw FMF, perhaps if I had posted the
Well he did stick to what's in the bible. Pointedly so. I think divegeester's last post - with its verbatim quotation from the Bible - deserves a better response, robbie. Your 1. 2. 3. 4. 5. assertions are not taken from the bible but are your selective reworded version which supports your own opinions. This "by their fruit you will recognize them" thing is actually quite interesting. I suggest you have another go.
actual scriptural references you would change your mind, shall i do that FMF, will you
retract your hasty assertion? alas the folly of one who is initiated with the intricacies of
scripture, indeed, their reluctance to comment on a single reference is telling in itself
and instead they have attempted you utilise pure straw, can you see any reference
where i state that one can recognise a true Christian by denomination, no neither can I,
that's how ridiculous his assertions are, he has attempted, through spurting out his own
opinion (perhaps your proclivity to do likewise finds some sympathy here) and trying to
substantiate it through applying a scripture where Christ gives a reference to
recognising false prophets with that of giving criteria for recognising true Christians,
that's how far removed and absurd his claims are.
No i will not have another go, I have demonstrated how deviod of substantiation
they are, twice now, i will not do so again.
Originally posted by robbie carrobieYou did not give verbatim quotes. divegeester supplied, verbatim, the pertinent piece of scripture which for some odd reason you had rather blatantly omitted. Was leaving out those words a "self-evidently true" thing to do on your part.
'they are not taken from the Bible', a rather fatal flaw FMF, perhaps if I had posted the
actual scriptural references you would change your mind, shall i do that FMF, will you
retract your hasty assertion?
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Originally posted by FMFI have provided scriptural references for every one of my claims, indeed, it was I who
You did not give verbatim quotes. divegeester supplied, verbatim, the pertinent piece of scripture which for some odd reason you had rather blatantly omitted. Was leaving out those words a "self-evidently true" thing to do on your part.
had to point out to divejeser that Christ was making reference to false prophets, not
Christian disciples. How can you explain that FMF? You have not said.
Originally posted by robbie carrobieYou simply have not made the case, robbie. divegeester has shown that Christ was talking about good trees bearing good fruit and bad trees bearing bad fruit. "false prophets" are an example of those who produce "bad fruit".
Christ was making reference to false prophets, not
Christian disciples. .
Originally posted by FMFif you read through the text FMF, you will see that divejesers mentions nothing of false
What are you talking about, robbie? divegeester gave a verbatim quote from the bible.
prophets until I bring the matter to his attention, infact he posted a partial quotation,
twice! which mentioned nothing of false prophets how can you explain it FMF, why have
you failed to mentioned why he omitted that FMF, please explain? why have you failed
to mention that it was I who brought the mater to his attention? you have not said.
Originally posted by robbie carrobieThat's a bit rich, robbie when you yourself chose to omit the part of the text that was inconvenient to you and had to have it quoted at you verbatim by divegeester.
if you read through the text FMF, you will see that divejesers mentions nothing of false
prophets until I bring the matter to his attention, infact he posted a partial quotation,
twice!
Originally posted by FMFno the application is to determining who false prophets are, that is why Christ finished
You simply have not made the case, robbie. divegeester has shown that Christ was talking about good trees bearing good fruit and bad trees bearing bad fruit. "false prophets" are an example of those who produce "bad fruit".
the analogy with, you will recognise those men, as in distinct from and remote from the
disciples, he in fact makes no application of recognising the disciples in the entire
passage, if you can point it out then do so, all he does is contract good trees and bad
trees to show how the former cannot produce good fruit.
Originally posted by robbie carrobieWell you're entitled to your opinion, robbie.
no the application is to determining who false prophets are, that is why Christ finished
the analogy with, you will recognise those men, as in distinct from and remote from the
disciples, he in fact makes no application of recognising the disciples in the entire
passage, if you can point it out then do so, all he does is contract good trees and bad
trees to show how the former cannot produce good fruit.
On this point I think the bible is pretty clear: here it is again:
15 Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves.
16 By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles?
17 Likewise every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit.
18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit.
19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.
20Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them.
Originally posted by FMFwhy dont you explain it then FMF, you have made the assertion, explain why
That's a bit rich, robbie when you yourself chose to omit the part of the text that was inconvenient to you and had to have it quoted at you verbatim by divegeester.
divegeester omitted to tell the forum that the whole intent of the passage is to
determine false prophets, you have accused me of omitting some details, why have
you not stated that it wasn't until i actually pointed the fact out that he was forced to
produce the passage and to make the absurd claim that it was with reference to
determine true disciples through an indirect reference to 'good trees'. Indeed your own
hypocrisy in the matter is rather blatantly obvious, had you applied the same criteria
to divejesters posts as you had mine you would not be so embarrassed by this rather
unfortunate revelation of your bias, would you.
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by their fruits you will recognise them is with reference to false prophets, indeed, twice
the point is made, once directly after the initial assertion and once at the end, why are
you now stating that its with reference to determining true Christians? can you please
point out the reference to true Christians in the passage, i can point out where it states
false prophets, how about you?