Originally posted by robbie carrobieBecause I don't think it is the "whole intent of the passage" and if I am not mistaken, neither does divegeester. Now I am an ex-Christian, so don't worry about too much me. But I agree with divegeester. It just goes to show that the bible is not "self-interpreting" at all. Christians can and do disagree.
why dont you explain it then FMF, you have made the assertion, explain why
divegeester omitted to tell the forum that the whole intent of the passage is to
determine false prophets
Originally posted by robbie carrobie"False prophets" are an example of those who produce "bad fruit".
by their fruits you will recognise them is with reference to false prophets, indeed, twice
the point is made, once directly after the initial assertion and once at the end, why are
you now stating that its with reference to determining true Christians? can you please
point out the reference to true Christians in the passage, i can point out where it states
false prophets, how about you?
Originally posted by FMF“Be on the watch for the false prophets that come to you in sheep’s covering, but
"False prophets" are an example of those who produce "bad fruit".
inside they are ravenous wolves. you By their fruits you will recognize them. Never
do people gather grapes from thorns or figs from thistles, do they? Likewise every
good tree produces fine fruit, but every rotten tree produces worthless fruit; a good
tree cannot bear worthless fruit, neither can a rotten tree produce fine fruit. Every
tree not producing fine fruit gets cut down and thrown into the fire. Really, then, by
their fruits you will recognize those [men].
the passage in its entirety, can someone, please inform me what the intent of this
passage is? the claim is that its to determine true christians, can someone point out
the reference to me, for as far as i can discern, its intent is to help the disciples to
recognise false prophets, but I could be mistaken, although it does actually mention
false prophets and how to recognise them, thanks in advance.
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Be on the watch for the false prophets that come to you in sheep’s covering, but
inside they are ravenous wolves. you By their fruits you will recognize them.
a direct reference to recognising false prophets, can anyone demonstrate a direct reference to
recognising true disciples in this passage, thanks.
Originally posted by robbie carrobieYes, "false prophets" are mentioned. Unlike true Christians, they produce "bad fruit". "Likewise every good tree bears good fruit.." Clearly this is contrasting true Christians with "false prophets" rather than its "whole intent" being as you say it is, to "define" "false prophets". But, as I said before, you are entitled to your opinion, robbie.
the claim is that its to determine true christians, can someone point out
the reference to me, for as far as i can discern, its intent is to help the disciples to
recognise false prophets, but I could be mistaken, although it does actually mention
false prophets and how to recognise them, thanks in advance.
Originally posted by robbie carrobieYou keep missing out the bit you don't like:
a direct reference to recognising false prophets, can anyone demonstrate a direct reference to
recognising true disciples in this passage, thanks.
17 Likewise every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit.
18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit.
19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.
20Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them.
Originally posted by FMFno its doesn't mention true Christian at all, there is no reference to the disciples, where
Yes, "false prophets" are mentioned. Unlike true Christians, they produce "bad fruit". "Likewise every good tree bears good fruit.." Clearly this is contrasting true Christians with "false prophets" rather than its "whole intent" being as you say it is, to "define" "false prophets". But, as I said before, you are entitled to your opinion, robbie.
is the reference true christians? it mentions false prophets, where is the mention of
true christians, you have not said, if its not in the passage, why are you saying that it
is? please pint out the words true christians, i can point out the words false prophets?
Originally posted by robbie carrobieHow many times are the words "true Christian" mentioned in the Bible?
no its doesn't mention true Christian at all, there is no reference to the disciples, where
is the reference true christians? it mentions false prophets, where is the mention of
true christians, you have not said, if its not in the passage, why are you saying that it
is? please pint out the words true christians, i can point out the words false prophets?
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Originally posted by FMFno i am aware of what it says, my point is that it doesn't mention true christians at all,
You keep missing out the bit you don't like:
17 [b]Likewise every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit.
18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit.
19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.
20Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them.[/b]
there is no direct reference to any disciples and you have not produced one because its
not in the passage, false prophets are mentioned in the passage yet there is not a
single reference to 'true christians or the disciples', AGAIN you are trying to promote
your own exegesis as if it actually exists in the passage, and it doesn't, because you
think that your opinions are of equal value, thanks i couldn't have done it without you!
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Originally posted by robbie carrobie
there is not a
single reference to 'true christians or the disciples', AGAIN you are trying to promote
your own exegesis as if it actually exists in the passage, and it doesn't, because you
think that your opinions are of equal value, thanks i couldn't have done it without you!
You are entitled to your opinion, robbie. More importantly, you are entitled to act upon it.
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Originally posted by FMFno i mentioned both true christians and disciples as synonymous and interchangeable, can you point out the
No, no you were adamant a moment ago. Can you point out the words "true Christians" in the Bible?
reference in the passage to either, you have said that it exists, where is it?