Originally posted by @kellyjayWhat is the precise meaning of the word "way" here, according to your beliefs? Is the substance and following of this "way" simply certain thoughts, perceptions and beliefs, or is it a combination of behaviours and deeds? What does "way" mean?
“I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me"
Originally posted by @kellyjayFor all intents and purposes, all you've done here is mindlessly quote what Jesus said rather than provide an actual explanation of what Jesus means.
Okay sure, it means this:
“I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me"
Jesus is way, truth, and the life and no one comes to the Father but through him.
If this is confusing to you, I suggest you meditate and pray, for it is a simple truth
that speaks to a profound reality.
No real surprise that your "explanation" is devoid of intellectual honesty. If nothing else, you're consistent in that regard.
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Originally posted by @fmfJesus sheds light on what the "way" and "life" mean in the following. In the Luke 13 version, Jesus does not use those exact words, but does provide additional detail on what it entails:
What is the precise meaning of the word "way" here, according to your beliefs? Is the substance and following of this "way" simply certain thoughts, perceptions and beliefs, or is it a combination of behaviours and deeds? What does "way" mean?
Matthew 7
13“Enter through the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the way is broad that leads to destruction, and there are many who enter through it. 14“For the gate is small and the way is narrow that leads to life, and there are few who find it.
Luke 13
22And He was passing through from one city and village to another, teaching, and proceeding on His way to Jerusalem. 23And someone said to Him, “Lord, are there just a few who are being saved?” And He said to them, 24“Strive to enter through the narrow door; for many, I tell you, will seek to enter and will not be able.25“Once the head of the house gets up and shuts the door, and you begin to stand outside and knock on the door, saying, ‘Lord, open up to us!’ then He will answer and say to you, ‘I do not know where you are from.’26“Then you will begin to say, ‘We ate and drank in Your presence, and You taught in our streets’; 27and He will say, ‘I tell you, I do not know where you are from; DEPART FROM ME, ALL YOU EVILDOERS.’
Good luck in trying to extract anything meaningful from KJ.
Originally posted by @thinkofoneFor intents and purposes, I think what Jesus said was what He meant, now if you happen
For all intents and purposes, all you've done here is mindlessly quote what Jesus said rather than provide an actual explanation of what Jesus means.
No real surprise that your "explanation" is devoid of intellectual honesty. If nothing else, you're consistent in that regard.
to disagree please enlighten me. For me it is very clear, He is the way, truth, and life no one
comes to the Father but by Him. No if's, an's, or butt's, bottom line it is either through Jesus
Christ or you don't get to God. Intellectual honesty is exactly what you are getting from me,
you on the other hand have complained, and complained about a verse in how I read it
and have yet to offer me some other meaning with all intent and purposes of course to show
me the error of my ways.
Originally posted by @thinkofoneI told you what it said, He is the Way, Truth, and the Life no one comes to the Father but
Then you should have no problem explaining exactly what you think it entails.
Not being a mind reader, I don't know exactly what YOU think it entails.
No idea why you're balking at offering an explanation when it's so
"simple" and "clear". Unless of course, you realize that it's not as "simple" and "clear" as you're asserting. That since it's ...[text shortened]... reted in light of other things Jesus had to say when He preached His gospel during His ministry.
through Him. Now again, if you think those words don't mean what they say? Show the
meaning in how you think that verse is supposed to be read without taking into account the
clear reading of the Word itself.
Originally posted by @kellyjayIntellectual honesty is exactly what you are getting from me...
For intents and purposes, I think what Jesus said was what He meant, now if you happen
to disagree please enlighten me. For me it is very clear, He is the way, truth, and life no one
comes to the Father but by Him. No if's, an's, or butt's, bottom line it is either through Jesus
Christ or you don't get to God. Intellectual honesty is exactly what you ar ...[text shortened]... r me some other meaning with all intent and purposes of course to show
me the error of my ways.
Clearly you have no understanding of what "intellectual honesty" entails.
Originally posted by @kellyjayMy current beliefs are available for discussion just as yours are. Stop deflecting. Stop running away. My current beliefs about Christianity and the content of the Gospel are patently obvious from the issues I raise, the observations I make, and the questions I pose. You have access to my current beliefs.
So debate and discuss by answering my question, describe the gospel when you did\
believe in it.
Originally posted by @kellyjayYour beliefs - and your answers to my questions - are not to be found in my mind. They are in your mind. If you want to know about my beliefs [rather than about things I don't believe anymore] you can ask me what you want.
So debate and discuss by answering my question, describe the gospel when you did\
believe in it.
Originally posted by @thinkofoneNothing in any of these verses alter what I have said, the way is narrow, because it is just
Jesus sheds light on what the "way" and "life" mean in the following. In the Luke 13 version, Jesus does not use those exact words, but does provide additional details on what it entails:
Matthew 7
13“Enter through the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the way is broad that leads to destruction, and there are many who enter through it. 14“For th ...[text shortened]... FROM ME, ALL YOU EVILDOERS.’
Good luck in trying to extract anything meaningful from KJ.[/b]
Jesus Christ and only a few find Him, though many may mouth His name. We can only
be saved today, no one is saved tomorrow and at some time this world ends along with
the opportunity of salvation through Jesus Christ. When God shuts that door then it will
not matter what you want to get right with God or not, the door is shut. Even reminding
God what He did for us will not alter the fact that when salvation is withdrawn it
is gone.
Originally posted by @fmfYes, I agree...you are out there.
Your beliefs - and your answers to my questions - are not to be found in my mind. They are in your mind. If you want to know about my beliefs [rather than about things I don't believe anymore] you can ask me what you want.
Originally posted by @kellyjayThe fact is that for all intents and purposes, all you've done is mindlessly quote what Jesus said rather than provide an actual explanation of what Jesus means.
I told you what it said, He is the Way, Truth, and the Life no one comes to the Father but
through Him. Now again, if you think those words don't mean what they say? Show the
meaning in how you think that verse is supposed to be read without taking into account the
clear reading of the Word itself.
Given your posting history, I don't expect that you'll be willing to do much more than continue to dance around that fact.
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Originally posted by @kellyjayJesus clearly explains that the "door" will be shut on "EVILDOERS". That it is "EVILDOERS" that will not be saved. Those who continue to sin will have the "door" shut on them and will not be saved. If that was your understanding, then you could have just said so, instead of posting all that nonsense.
Nothing in any of these verses alter what I have said, the way is narrow, because it is just
Jesus Christ and only a few find Him, though many may mouth His name. We can only
be saved today, no one is saved tomorrow and at some time this world ends along with
the opportunity of salvation through Jesus Christ. When God shuts that door then it will
not m ...[text shortened]... ng
God what He did for us will not alter the fact that when salvation is withdrawn it
is gone.
Originally posted by @thinkofoneI do know one thing, I have shared what that verse means and those you added, and you
[b]Intellectual honesty is exactly what you are getting from me...
Clearly you have no understanding of what "intellectual honesty" entails.[/b]
have complained, yet offered nothing. Where is your intellect in this, and if you are going to
tell me I'm reading the verses wrong shouldn't you honest show me why I'm wrong?