Originally posted by @fmf You said "Our own righteousness apart from God is as filthy rags". This suggests ~ does it not? ~ that your own righteousness 'with' God is [b]not as filthy rags. Please be clear about what you are [or aren't] asserting.[/b]
When we are are not with God we are completely sinful.
Originally posted by @kellyjay God is good none of us are, the Father so loved us while we were yet sinners He sent Jesus the Word of God, to become one of us to become sin who knew no sin and God punishes Jesus taking our sins and iniquities upon Himself. We are saved and made clean by Jesus Christ grace.
This is not us being good enough or earning it is a gift. Which had you ever been a Christian even in name only you should have known.
Saved by grace.
Eternal life is only granted if one lives righteously
Jesus will judge
Originally posted by @kellyjay This is not us being good enough or earning it is a gift. Which had you ever been a Christian even in name only you should have known.
Originally posted by @kellyjay God is good none of us are, the Father so loved us while we were yet sinners He sent Jesus the Word of God, to become one of us to become sin who knew no sin and God punishes Jesus taking our sins and iniquities upon Himself. We are saved and made clean by Jesus Christ grace.
Originally posted by @kellyjay This is why our own righteousness apart from God is as filthy rags.
Jesus said no such thing. In fact Jesus defined what righteousness was. Jesus defined what perfection was. Jesus advised man to work towards it by following His commandments. Instead all you hear from Christians is how evil and sinful man is, and how nobody could follow Jesus's commandments.
You Christians are the complete opposite of Christ. The only thing that is totally depraved is your sick doctrine that discourages good works and righteousness.
Originally posted by @rajk999 There are all kinds of people. Jesus will welcome the righteous sheep into the Kingdom of God. The unrighteous goats will be cast out.
Where did Jesus say that our works make us righteous?
Originally posted by @rajk999 Jesus said no such thing. In fact Jesus defined what righteousness was. Jesus defined what perfection was. Jesus advised man to work towards it by following His commandments. Instead all you hear from Christians is how evil and sinful man is, and how nobody could follow Jesus's commandments.
You Christians are the complete opposite of Christ. The only t ...[text shortened]... g that is totally depraved is your sick doctrine that discourages good works and righteousness.
Can we be righteous without accepting the grace of God?
Originally posted by @dj2becker Where did Jesus say that our works make us righteous?
Please read Matt 25 -
The righteous enter the Kingdom of God. What did these people do according to Christ?
What did the other people who were cast out NOT DO, according to Christ?
Originally posted by @dj2becker Your red herring is noted. You are the one bringing up the rape and torture of children, it has not been mentioned in this thread before you did.
I called you depraved for your fixation on such things. Are you claiming your use of the word 'depravity' in the thread title is not in relation to this?
Originally posted by @rajk999 Please read Matt 25 -
The righteous enter the Kingdom of God. What did these people do according to Christ?
What did the other people who were cast out NOT DO, according to Christ?
They were being judged for their works, no one disputes that, but we are not saved by our works least any of us boast before God.
Originally posted by @kellyjay They were being judged for their works, no one disputes that, but we are not saved by our works least any of us boast before God.
Why judge them for their works if this would have no influence on their salvation?
Originally posted by @kellyjay They were being judged for their works, no one disputes that, but we are not saved by our works least any of us boast before God.
Jesus said no such thing.
Jesus called these people RIGHTEOUS ... Got that?
Those people who did NO WORKS, Jesus CAST THEM OUT.
As usual nothing of your doctrine is from Christ.
I would be worried if I were you.
11 Jul '18 11:41
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