Truth- Absolute or Relative?

@fmf said
You can attach whatever intensifier adjectives you want to the assertions you make, they are still your subjective opinions.

But only in your opinion.

For some reason it escapes your imagination that I might have certain knowledge that makes mine not an opinion, but instead a known truth.

It is your language that's the "intensifier". You're grasping for some logic to refute the existence of "immutable truth" by making knowledge a subjective experience rendering all views as merely opinions.

By doing so you paralyze your own argument with illogical, emotional and irrational claims of subjectivity.

Immutable truths exist, and are understood through reason and objective logic. Your feelings are betraying you.

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Is that a fact or simply your subjective opinion?

@fmf said
If I were to assert that there are immutable truths regarding supernatural beings and divine law, it would be my subjective opinion. Just as it is when you make such assertions. The strength of your certainty does not generate "objectivity".

That also applies to your certainty that there are no objective truths regarding spiritual matters. Would you admit that you could be wrong and that objective truths may well exist that you are not aware of? Or are you claiming absolute certainty about your precarious position?

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But if God truly exists then His existence would be an objective truth that is true regardless of what anyone might think or believe about His existence. We all make assumptions that we cannot prove. That doesn’t mean that none of our assumptions can ever be true.

@fmf said
It's your prerogative to call your opinions whatever you want. Regarding the things we are talking about, they are not "objectively true". They are merely opinions that, together, amount to your "faith". Does not matter how certain or earnest you are.

At what point is objective truth established (if ever) in your opinion?

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If you believe there is no possibility of objective truth regarding spiritual matters ever existing you are rather closed minded.

@dj2becker said
If you believe there is no possibility of objective truth regarding spiritual matters ever existing you are rather closed minded.

If the only truth that someone recognizes are possibilities that start and end in the material world, they will never see the necessity for anything that transcends the material world no matter how necessary.

@dj2becker said
At what point is objective truth established (if ever) in your opinion?

Regarding stuff like everlasting life, divine law and "sin", "angels" and "demons" and other supernatural beings, "heaven", eternal torture, visions, miracles and so forth? Never. It's all just stuff that people speculate about, develop subjective opinions about, and then they die.

@kellyjay said
If the only truth that someone recognizes are possibilities that start and end in the material world, they will never see the necessity for anything that transcends the material world no matter how necessary.

It is your prerogative to declare your opinions about stuff "that transcends the material world" to be "true" for everyone. That's what religious faith and posturing is all about.

@dj2becker said
We all make assumptions that we cannot prove. That doesn’t mean that none of our assumptions can ever be true.

We all make assumptions that we cannot prove.

And such assumptions are therefore subjective.

That doesn’t mean that none of our assumptions can ever be true.

Feel free to declare your assumptions and opinions about supernatural things to be "objective truths". It will indicate to people how very, very certain you are that you're right.

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Oh I see. It’s ok to call your opinions facts. Would you say spiritual matters are still opinion based and subjective even if they happen to be true?