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@fmf saidI’m not saying my speculations generate objectivity. Objective truth exists regardless of what our speculations may be. If God did exist there would be more than enough evidence for His existence. The fact that people have a choice to reject evidence would not change the fact that God existed. Neither would you saying people are entitled to their subjective opinions change anything about the reality of God's existence. On the other hand if God did not exist none of us would be here to have a logical discussion anyway.
You can speculate to your heart's content; but your speculations do not generate "objectivity".
@dj2becker saidYour speculation about whether or not your beliefs regarding supernatural things constitute "objective truth" is entirely in the realm of your subjectivity.
I’m not saying my speculations generate objectivity. Objective truth exists regardless of what our speculations may be. If God did exist there would be more than enough evidence for His existence. The fact that people have a choice to reject evidence would not change the fact that God existed. Neither would you saying people are entitled to their subjective opinions change ...[text shortened]... On the other hand if God did not exist none of us would be here to have a logical discussion anyway.
@dj2becker saidBy saying there is no supernatural truth...
By saying there is no supernatural truth you are putting blinders on and you’re not following where the evidence could lead you.
What I am, in fact, saying is that we can only speculate about "supernatural truth".
...you are putting blinders on...
I believe my eyes are wide open.
...you’re not following where the evidence could lead you
You are fully entitled to your personal view about whether or not I have 'followed the evidence' satisfactorily and therefore whether or not I have "discovered" the "truth" in a way that meets your approval or that coincides with your own subjective perspectives. regarding "evidence".
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@fmf saidSo how do you know that it’s always true for everyone that we can only speculate about supernatural truth if what you’re saying is also just speculation?
By saying there is no supernatural truth...
What I am, in fact, saying is that we can only speculate about "supernatural truth".
...you are putting blinders on...
I believe my eyes are wide open.
...you’re not following where the evidence could lead you
You are fully entitled to your personal view about whether or not I have 'followed the evide ...[text shortened]... t meets your approval or that coincides with your own subjective perspectives. regarding "evidence".
@dj2becker saidWe're just sharing our personal opinions, that's all. If you want insist that you "know" that your speculations about supernatural things are "always true" and you are therefore being "objective", then that's your prerogative.
So how do you know that it’s always true for everyone that we can only speculate about supernatural truth if what you’re saying is also just speculation?
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@fmf said‘You shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free.’
We're just sharing our personal opinions, that's all. If you want insist that you "know" that your speculations about supernatural things are "always true" and you are therefore being "objective", then that's your prerogative.
If the Bible is to be believed, supernatural truth is knowable and the evidence for this is freedom in Christ.
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-Removed-When you say scripture is related to a subjective personal experience, are you implying that what is written in the Bible is only true if you believe it and does not apply to all people at all times?
This is a serious question but I suspect you’re just going to dodge it and say I’m trolling.
@dj2becker saidYou are free to make whatever you want of the Bible and to share whatever personal opinions it causes you to have.
If the Bible is to be believed, supernatural truth is knowable and the evidence for this is freedom in Christ.