03 Oct 19
@kellyjay saidYou are fully entitled to share your personal opinions about what "the truth" is with regard to Jesus Christ.
Truth is the bottom line, those who profess they don't know it are simply admitting they don't have Jesus Christ who is the truth. So in essence they are calling out themselves as those who do not know the Truth, they don't know Jesus, they admit it and in some cases are proud of this.
03 Oct 19
@dj2becker saidSo-called "truth" about angels, demons, gods, things like immortality and "divine will", and other magical phenomena and events may well be "discovered" from reading books or talking to people, but the beliefs that arise from this are merely subjective opinions.
Do you believe it’s a fact that truth is discovered or is that merely a subjective opinion?
03 Oct 19
@kellyjay saidGosh. Well, it's hardly surprising that non-Christians don't view Jesus Christ in the same way as you do.
Truth is the bottom line, those who profess they don't know it are simply admitting they don't have Jesus Christ who is the truth. So in essence they are calling out themselves as those who do not know the Truth, they don't know Jesus, they admit it and in some cases are proud of this.
04 Oct 19
@dj2becker saidIt is true that I am alive, I am mortal and will die, when I die it will no longer be true that I am alive.
The truth doesn’t change according to our opinions. The truth is absolute and unchanging.
04 Oct 19
@deepthought saidWell now that is part of the great debate, if you do live on what then? That was a truth claim you have nothing by which to back up other than hopefulness. Scriptural doctrine that has stood the test of time says there is much more to this life than our living and dying.
It is true that I am alive, I am mortal and will die, when I die it will no longer be true that I am alive.
04 Oct 19
@kellyjay saidScriptural doctrine that has stood the test of time says there is much more to this life than our living and dying.
Well now that is part of the great debate, if you do live on what then? That was a truth claim you have nothing by which to back up other than hopefulness. Scriptural doctrine that has stood the test of time says there is much more to this life than our living and dying.
Your assertion that this "Scriptural doctrine that has stood the test of time" is something "other than hopefulness" is entirely subjective on your part. Ask YOURSELF the question "if you do live on what then?" Have you really convinced yourself that - whatever your answer to it just so happens to be - it is "objective"?
04 Oct 19
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@dj2becker saidSo-called "discovered truth" or "revealed truth" about supernatural things may well be "discovered" or "revealed" to you - in your mind - from reading books or talking to people, but the beliefs that arise from this are merely subjective opinions.
That’s not what I asked you.
04 Oct 19
@dj2becker saidWhen someone cannot see past their own bellybutton, nothing will make sense to them outside of their own thoughts. Reality is reality, not to difficult a concept to grasp; it is what it is regardless of our ideas about it, or if we really understand it or not. Truth isn't objective or subjective; it is an absolute that doesn't change in time or space; those are more about us our perceptions of it, not the reality itself.
That’s not what I asked you.
04 Oct 19
@kellyjay saidYou can make all the self-affirming assertions you want about the "truth" of supernatural things to someone who agrees with you and pretend you are being "objective". But - gosh, KellyJay... "Reality is reality"? Don't you ever feel just a little bit self-conscious?
When someone cannot see past their own bellybutton, nothing will make sense to them outside of their own thoughts. Reality is reality, not to difficult a concept to grasp; it is what it is regardless of our ideas about it, or if we really understand it or not. Truth isn't objective or subjective; it is an absolute that doesn't change in time or space; those are more about us our perceptions of it, not the reality itself.
04 Oct 19
@kellyjay saidYour perception of the "truth" of unprovable things pertaining to divine beings is subjective.
Truth isn't objective or subjective; it is an absolute that doesn't change in time or space; those are more about us our perceptions of it, not the reality itself.
04 Oct 19
@kellyjay saidDo you really think that people who have different beliefs than you "cannot see past their own bellybutton"? Is that what your "own thoughts" make you say in public?
When someone cannot see past their own bellybutton, nothing will make sense to them outside of their own thoughts.
04 Oct 19
@kellyjay saidReally..!
Reality is reality, not to difficult a concept to grasp; it is what it is regardless of our ideas about it, or if we really understand it or not.
Tell me again KellyJay, the multiheaded beast in Revelation which is wearing crowns on its head and being ridden by a whore who is wearing a robe dipped in the blood of Christians from down the centuries...
This is a literal real thing, right, you said Revelation “it’s all real it’s all literal”
Just checking in on YOUR reality.
04 Oct 19
Because goodness me...if you were forced to admit that some parts of Revelation like the giant flying locusts with heads of lions and the multiheaded beasts etc ... if you admitted some of this stuff was metaphorical and not real...then your precious lake of fire and Jesus overseeing the casting in of people might be a teensy-weensy bit in danger.
Mighten it?
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06 Oct 19
@fmf saidI’m asking you about truth in general.
So-called "discovered truth" or "revealed truth" about supernatural things may well be "discovered" or "revealed" to you - in your mind - from reading books or talking to people, but the beliefs that arise from this are merely subjective opinions.
Do you believe it’s a fact that truth is discovered or is all truth merely a subjective opinion?
If you are unable to answer the question just say so.