Truth- Absolute or Relative?

@bigdoggproblem said
But, I am not positing that ANYONE is incapable of love.

I am merely positing that some do not feel ANY love, for themselves, or otherwise.

Love is much more than a feeling; it is meeting the needs of others. A mother's love is on display when she meets the needs of her kids. Do not reduce love to just an internal feeling as our feelings are so fickle they come and go. Passions are things so fleeting, you can feel strongly about something today but not tomorrow, they are not things to build relationships on or with. We can show love to someone disliked, hated, or even enemies by taking care of them. Love is much more than feeling driven by our emotions about how strongly we long for someone or desire them. You can destroy someone you long for seeking only your desires, loving them is meeting their needs, doing for them as they need not as we want.

@secondson said
Do you have anything to say relative to my assertions.

Yes, your assertions are a product of your subjectivity.

-Removed-

It's been a while. He somehow blames me for his botched attempt to leverage my wife and kids for his 'argument' justifying his torturer god ideology.

@fmf said
Yes, your assertions are a product of your subjectivity.

And your replies are disingenuous, deflective and denote a deep seated fear of confrontation with rational and logical discourse.

@secondson said
And your replies are disingenuous, deflective and denote a deep seated fear of confrontation with rational and logical discourse.

I think you are mistaken.

I think you are sincere and certain in your beliefs in divine beings and supernatural causality and everlasting life and all the rest of it.

But this sincerity and certainty of yours does not transform your personal opinions and subjectivity into "truths" that are "absolute", "immutable", "objective" or "universal" however much you want them to.

@fmf said
if person A believes that God exists and person B believes God doesn’t exist

Both person A's belief/opinion [that God exists] and person B's belief/opinion [that God doesn't exist] are subjective.

And yet you cannot know that the statement you just made is true in the absolute sense of the word if it is also just your subjective opinion assuming truth is merely relative.

@fmf said
I think you are mistaken.

I think you are sincere and certain in your beliefs in divine beings and supernatural causality and everlasting life and all the rest of it.

But this sincerity and certainty of yours does not transform your personal opinions and subjectivity into "truths" that are "absolute", "immutable", "objective" or "universal" however much you want them to.

For someone to be mistaken truth needs to be absolute. If truth is relative how can anyone be mistaken?

@dj2becker said
And yet you cannot know that the statement you just made is true in the absolute sense of the word if it is also just your subjective opinion assuming truth is merely relative.

My views on matters of spirituality and supernatural causality are subjective for the same reasons yours are.

@dj2becker said
For someone to be mistaken truth needs to be absolute. If truth is relative how can anyone be mistaken?

My replies are not disingenuous or deflective and do not denote a "deep-seated fear of confrontation with rational and logical discourse". So he is mistaken.

@fmf said
You can recite or type out your "only one and not both of their opinions can ultimately be true" word-string as often as you want, and if it makes you feel more certain about your personal opinions, so be it, but your perspective is still a subjective one.

Having a subjective perspective doesn’t mean it’s impossible for it to be aligned with truth. For example you are assuming that your perspective that all views are subjective and that there is no ultimate truth is ultimately true, which it can’t be if there is no ultimate truth. So you are always arguing from a self defeating position.

@fmf said
My replies are not disingenuous or deflective and do not denote a "deep-seated fear of confrontation with rational and logical discourse". So he is mistaken.

According only to your subjective opinion or in reality as well? How can anyone be mistaken within a paradigm of relative truth?

@dj2becker said
According only to your subjective opinion or in reality as well? How can anyone be mistaken within a paradigm of relative truth?

He said incorrect things about my contributions to this thread ~ and it seems to me like he is seeking 'to play the man and not play the ball'. You are entitled to diagree.

How does your belief in the notion of "absolute truth" help you decide whether I am exhibiting "deep-seated fear of confrontation with rational and logical discourse" on this thread?

@dj2becker said
Having a subjective perspective doesn’t mean it’s impossible for it to be aligned with truth.

Your claims about what is and isn't "aligned with the truth" when it comes to things like supernatural causality - which are impervious to empirical scrutiny - are purely in the realm of subjectivity.