Truth- Absolute or Relative?

@fmf said
My replies are not disingenuous or deflective and do not denote a "deep-seated fear of confrontation with rational and logical discourse". So he is mistaken.

If truth is relative how can anyone be mistaken?

@dj2becker said
If truth is relative how can anyone be mistaken?

He misunderstood my mood and my motivation. Or misrepresented it as a debating tactic. Most likely the latter. It's got nothing whatsoever to do with your subjective notion of "absolute truth". If your notion of "absolute truth" makes you think that he is not mistaken, or that it is me who's mistaken, that's for you. You are entitled to your personal opinion.

@dj2becker said
If truth is relative how can anyone be mistaken?

It is odd how someone who can claim truth is relative also make absolute claims about the motivations of others, even twisting words they used in other words so they can justify their claims. Truth is real, or it is not the truth, and those who charge others with anything are making truth claims that are not relative but absolute.

How many times have we seen people's motivations gone after and questioned if it is all relative who would care? How many times do the voices of the relative believers of the day choose to declare the absolute truth about others?

@kellyjay said
It is odd how someone who can claim truth is relative also make absolute claims about the motivations of others, even twisting words they used in other words so they can justify their claims.

I am not making any "absolute claims". I am listening to people like you sharing your subjective personal opinions and, in return, I am sharing my subjective personal opinions.

@kellyjay said
How many times have we seen people's motivations gone after and questioned if it is all relative who would care? How many times do the voices of the relative believers of the day choose to declare the absolute truth about others?

dj2becker thinks that I can't say that SecondSon was mistaken in what he said a few pages ago. If you think I am the one who was mistaken, and if you and dj2becker think you are somehow able to say that because you believe in "absolute truth", you've got to realize that you're both way, way into self-parody territory.

@kellyjay said
It is odd how someone who can claim truth is relative also make absolute claims about the motivations of others, even twisting words they used in other words so they can justify their claims.

I haven't "twisted" anyone's words.

@fmf said
Your claims about what is and isn't "aligned with the truth" when it comes to things like supernatural causality - which are impervious to empirical scrutiny - are purely in the realm of subjectivity.

And yet you can’t know that subjective claims as you call them cannot be aligned with truth can you?

@fmf said
He misunderstood my mood and my motivation. Or misrepresented it as a debating tactic. Most likely the latter. It's got nothing whatsoever to do with your subjective notion of "absolute truth". If your notion of "absolute truth" makes you think that he is not mistaken, or that it is me who's mistaken, that's for you. You are entitled to your personal opinion.

I’m not commenting on whether i think someone is mistaken or not, I am simply asking you to explain how it is possible for anyone to be mistaken about anything within a framework where no absolute truth exists.

@dj2becker said
And yet you can’t know that subjective claims as you call them cannot be aligned with truth can you?

The "truth" about what?

Are your opinions about the exchange between me and SecondSon somehow "aligned with truth"?

Is that really what you trying to riff on here?

@dj2becker said
And yet you can’t know that subjective claims as you call them cannot be aligned with truth can you?

A truth claim means it is a matter of reality; even denying something done is an absolute truth claim, suggesting something could be true is not making a truth claim, it is a possibility claim. The distinctions are enormous, each of us as soon as we declare something as true we destroy the notion it is all relative.

@dj2becker said
I’m not commenting on whether i think someone is mistaken or not, I am simply asking you to explain how it is possible for anyone to be mistaken about anything within a framework where no absolute truth exists.

Your notion about "absolute truth" is your personal subjective perspective. It's got nothing to do with SecondSon's mistake and/or disingenuousness.

@kellyjay said
A truth claim means it is a matter of reality; even denying something done is an absolute truth claim, suggesting something could be true is not making a truth claim, it is a possibility claim. The distinctions are enormous, each of us as soon as we declare something as true we destroy the notion it is all relative.

And yet, despite all this windy rhetoric, all you are doing here is sharing your personal opinions about spiritual matters rooted in your specuation about supernatural causality.

@kellyjay said
The distinctions are enormous, each of us as soon as we declare something as true we destroy the notion it is all relative.

I can assure you, you don't "destroy" anything when you "declare something as true". You have a hugely puffed up view of your personal opinions on spiritual matters.

@dj2becker said
I’m not commenting on whether i think someone is mistaken or not, I am simply asking you to explain how it is possible for anyone to be mistaken about anything within a framework where no absolute truth exists.

All you really have to do with such statements is ask, "Is that true, or your opinion?"

@fmf said
The "truth" about what?

Are your opinions about the exchange between me and SecondSon somehow "aligned with truth"?

Is that really what you trying to riff on here?

I think you have misread the situation. I’m talking about the truth about supernatural things.