Originally posted by vishvahetuThe sutras teach that all forms of Yoga are necessary, Bahkti is actually considered inferior to Raja Yoga.
The Hare Krishna movement follows the Vedanta Sutra and the Vedanta Sutra teach,s Bhakti Yoga as the process for advancing in the spiritual life.
Bhakti Yoga is the path of devotion, and since I also subscribe to Bhakti Yoga, then I would definitely be advocating the devotional way.
Originally posted by DowardAll forms of yoga are not necessary, because the meaning of yoga is to link.
The sutras teach that all forms of Yoga are necessary, Bahkti is actually considered inferior to Raja Yoga.
So what should we link to?
We should link to God in devotion (Bhakti)
All yoga systems are actually mundane, because they concentrate on the body and mind.
But Bhakti surpasses all others, for it is direct devotion to Godhead.
Originally posted by vishvahetuRaja yoga free's the mind so that it may link with the divine as well. Its a shame you don't know much about your own faith traditions and doctrines.
All forms of yoga are not necessary, because the meaning of yoga is to link.
So what should we link to?
We should link to God in devotion (Bhakti)
All yoga systems are actually mundane, because they concentrate on the body and mind.
But Bhakti surpasses all others, for it is direct devotion to Godhead.
Originally posted by DowardAnd when the mind is free, it lends itself to devotion to God.
Raja yoga free's the mind so that it may link with the divine as well. Its a shame you don't know much about your own faith traditions and doctrines.
When it is not free, it lends itself to devotion to the material world.
So if one is devoted to God in Bhakti, then they are at the top most platform, and have no further to advance, and any other form of yoga is a waste of time.
You see, that one who practices raga yoga, and does not advance to devotion of the Lord in Bhakti, has not done their raga yoga properly.
One can do their raga yoga their whole life time, but if it doesn't culminate into devotion to God, then they have not succeeded.
Because asked yourself, what is your goal of your yoga.....is it just to control the mind in and of itself, or is their something to control the mind for.
Yes, you control the mind so you can pull it away from the objects of the senses, and then you direct your mind to engage it in devotional activities to God.
Now that you know, you may engage in Bhakti and perfect your life, because the relationship you have with God is your eternal occupation.
Originally posted by ThinkOfOneLook--you said I don't believe in Christ. That's the same as saying I am not a Christian. I will not play semantics with you all day, sonny. Anyone with a mimimal education gets the gist of it. Deny it all you want, but you said I was a liar, regardless of whether or not you used the exact word.
Evidently you chose to ignore this part:
" Note that I never said that you are "not a Christian", therefore if anyone is a liar it is you. Are you unable to draw a distinction between what was actually stated and what you make of it?"
You've repeatedly demonstrated how you selectively remove existing words from text and/or add nonexistent words to tex ...[text shortened]... res rather than accept the words that are actually there. It's unfortunate that you do so.
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Originally posted by PinkFloydRead through the discussion again. This time for the actual words instead of the irrational interpretations that seem to go through your head.
Look--you said I don't believe in Christ. That's the same as saying I am not a Christian. I will not play semantics with you all day, sonny. Anyone with a mimimal education gets the gist of it. Deny it all you want, but you said I was a liar, regardless of whether or not you used the exact word.
Once again, "You've repeatedly demonstrated how you selectively remove existing words from text and/or add nonexistent words to text in order to prop up your beliefs/ desires rather than accept the words that are actually there. It's unfortunate that you do so."
What I said was, "you don't believe [Jesus]" which is very different from "you don't believe in Christ". How much education does one need to be able to make that distinction?
Originally posted by ThinkOfOneMy point being, Christ is inseperable from The Word.
Read through the discussion again. This time for the actual words instead of the irrational interpretations that seem to go through your head.
Once again, "You've repeatedly demonstrated how you selectively remove existing words from text and/or add nonexistent words to text in order to prop up your beliefs/ desires rather than accept the words that a ...[text shortened]... ieve in Christ". How much education does one need to be able to make that distinction?
John 1
1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2The same was in the beginning with God.
3All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
4In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
5And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
6There was a man sent from God, whose name was John.
7The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe.
8He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light.
9That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.
10He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.
11He came unto his own, and his own received him not.
12But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
13Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
14And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
15John bare witness of him, and cried, saying, This was he of whom I spake, He that cometh after me is preferred before me: for he was before me.
16And of his fulness have all we received, and grace for grace.
17For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.
18No man hath seen God at any time, the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.
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Originally posted by ChessPraxisthese verses contain a contradiction, namely
My point being, Christ is inseperable from The Word.
John 1
1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2The same was in the beginning with God.
3All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
4In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
5And the lig ...[text shortened]... d at any time, the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.
the Word (Jesus) was God. . . . . No man hath seen God at any time (when in fact many people saw Jesus)
very loose translation.
Originally posted by ChessPraxisJesus is not the only begotten son. (this is false)
My point being, Christ is inseperable from The Word.
John 1
1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2The same was in the beginning with God.
3All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
4In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
5And the lig ...[text shortened]... d at any time, the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.
Every living being is a eternal spiritual soul, which has expanded from God.....so we are all sons of God.
The proof is that this body we are in is animating it to life, because the soul is life, and where-ever there is life, there is the eternal soul......and the eternal soul is spiritual just like God, and has no beginning....and has no end.....this is what you teach, the truth.
....not that the soul is created at birth, and dies if you dont become Christian (this is nonsense)
Originally posted by vishvahetu(this is nonsense)
Jesus is not the only begotten son. (this is false)
Every living being is a eternal spiritual soul, which has expanded from God.....so we are all sons of God.
The proof is that this body we are in is animating it to life, because the soul is life, and where-ever there is life, there is the eternal soul......and the eternal soul is spiritual just l ...[text shortened]... .not that the soul is created at birth, and dies if you dont become Christian (this is nonsense)
Most accurate thing you have ever posted.
Originally posted by robbie carrobieI won't argue with you, as I am sure we are quite different in views on Jesus and Divinity.
these verses contain a contradiction, namely
the Word (Jesus) was God. . . . . No man hath seen God at any time (when in fact many people saw Jesus)
very loose translation.
Are you ever going to send me a game? 🙂 We could discuss such matters in private while we duke it out on the 8x8.😀
Originally posted by vishvahetuYes I am sure virgin births are common where you're from.
Jesus is not the only begotten son. (this is false)
Every living being is a eternal spiritual soul, which has expanded from God.....so we are all sons of God.
The proof is that this body we are in is animating it to life, because the soul is life, and where-ever there is life, there is the eternal soul......and the eternal soul is spiritual just l ...[text shortened]... .not that the soul is created at birth, and dies if you dont become Christian (this is nonsense)
I am sure we differ a great deal on almost all points, so why bother??
I mean you're so "enlightened," yet you continue to bash your head against the wall to relieve a headache.
BTW I am a Vegan, by choice, meaning I don't think people who eat meat are evil. For me it was a health choice along with my love for animals.
So perhaps we are similar on this, but for different reasons.
Other than that, I can't stand you. 🙁
Happy Holidays Vish, God bless you.