Originally posted by twhiteheadFrom where did the chatolic church got the idea of a purgatory?
Whoever claims that nothing exists unless it is in the Bible is brainwashed. I am not in the Bible, nor is Zambia, do we not exist?
I am sure that there were plenty of scholars on the subject of purgatory through most of the history of the Catholic Church who believed it existed. Your declaration that they were not scholars does not make it so.
Originally posted by FabianFnasI do not know, but from what Wikipedia says about it I would guess that it could have come from the Jewish concept of Gehenna or it was made up by the early Catholic Church to deal with the problems surrounding early death in Christianity or it may have come from other pagan beliefs.
From where did the chatolic church got the idea of a purgatory?
Of course if you are a Christian there is always the possibility that knowledge of it came via divine inspiration. But oddly Christians don't like divine inspiration unless it comes to them personally or to a writer of the Bible.
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Originally posted by twhiteheadMy feelings are that if the church (from any relgion) encounter a problem, they tend to make up a solution as some kind of a fix. Then they call it divine inspiration but it's just a 'clever' solution.
I do not know, but from what Wikipedia says about it I would guess that it could have come from the Jewish concept of Gehenna or it was made up by the early Catholic Church to deal with the problems surrounding early death in Christianity or it may have come from other pagan beliefs.
Of course if you are a Christian there is always the possibility that k ...[text shortened]... s don't like divine inspiration unless it comes to them personally or to a writer of the Bible.
Another example for this kind is the 'limbo' concept.
Why invent things? Why pretend they know so much about god so they even share thoughts with god without god even have to say something...? Why not just admit that god does things that cannot be explained?
Originally posted by FabianFnasIt is not that simple. Many people do honestly believe that God has spoken to them. Also if you take a concept that the Jews already have and decide that it must be so, then that is not really making up something.
My feelings are that if the church (from any relgion) encounter a problem, they tend to make up a solution as some kind of a fix. Then they call it divine inspiration but it's just a 'clever' solution.
Why not just admit that god does things that cannot be explained?
Because that leads to many theological problems. The biggest one of which is "Can God be trusted".
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Originally posted by twhiteheadMe myself believed strongly in the existance of Santa Claus (or rather the Swedish variant of the same) when I was a little boy. Why? My parents told me so. I believed them.
It is not that simple. Many people do honestly believe that God has spoken to them. Also if you take a concept that the Jews already have and decide that it must be so, then that is not really making up something.
[b]Why not just admit that god does things that cannot be explained?
Because that leads to many theological problems. The biggest one of which is "Can God be trusted".[/b]
A lot of people believe in a strange guy they call god. Why? Their priest told them so. They believed him.
Now I don't believe in Santa. I am older and have my ability to think for myself.
In one case honest belief is quite cute. In other case it is dead serious and should be treated with respect.
Can we trust god? Can we trust Santa?
Originally posted by FabianFnasThat is not true at all. People do not have a priest until they believe in God. Most people believe in God because their parents tell them to. A few others believe in God because society in general does or someone they respect does.
Me myself believed strongly in the existance of Santa Claus (or rather the Swedish variant of the same) when I was a little boy. Why? My parents told me so. I believed them.
A lot of people believe in a strange guy they call god. Why? Their priest told them so. They believed him.
Now I don't believe in Santa. I am older and have my ability to think for myself.
Do you still believe in God? If so, then what happened to thinking for yourself?
In one case honest belief is quite cute. In other case it is dead serious and should be treated with respect.
Why? What is the difference? Why should either be treated with respect?
Can we trust god? Can we trust Santa?
No. No.
Trusting figments of the imagination is inadvisable.
Originally posted by Marinkatombyou've heard of recycling?
If you can only gain entry to heaven by being a follower of Christ, doesn't this mean that countless thousands of generations who lived before never got the opportunity to go to heaven? What happened to all those souls? Did they all go to hell or just disappear?
Originally posted by twhiteheaddont forget "santa" can be re-ordered to say "satan" whereas
That is not true at all. People do not have a priest until they believe in God. Most people believe in God because their parents tell them to. A few others believe in God because society in general does or someone they respect does.
[b]Now I don't believe in Santa. I am older and have my ability to think for myself.
Do you still believe in God? If ...[text shortened]... ust god? Can we trust Santa?[/b]
No. No.
Trusting figments of the imagination is inadvisable.[/b]
"god" only gives us "dog" 😲
Originally posted by twhiteheadExactly, you have understood my posting perfectly!
That is not true at all. People do not have a priest until they believe in God. Most people believe in God because their parents tell them to. A few others believe in God because society in general does or someone they respect does.
[b]Now I don't believe in Santa. I am older and have my ability to think for myself.
Do you still believe in God? If ...[text shortened]... ust god? Can we trust Santa?[/b]
No. No.
Trusting figments of the imagination is inadvisable.[/b]
Originally posted by theprotectorsWhy should the jews belive in jesus who was one of their own was my mening to say.
Good points.
But I know you missed on one question because you didnt understand the question so I will refrace that on for you.
Why should the jews belive in jesus who was one of their own was my mening to say.
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And ok I am sorry for the fact I might have puched the words so it would loo ...[text shortened]... . That was never , and never will be my inteent.
And by the way Thank you for your patiance.
I don't know. I don't think the Jews should believe in Jesus. Heck, I don't really think anyone should necessarily.
I'm not sure if I'm understanding or misunderstanding the question though.
Originally posted by twhiteheadPurgatory is a significant theological concept; you and Zambia are not. If there was a purgatory, the Bible would say so. However it's quite clear: we have one life, and one death--then the judgement. No second chances or penalty boxes. Purg was just made up by the Catholic church for reasons of its own having naught to do with salvation of the soul.
Whoever claims that nothing exists unless it is in the Bible is brainwashed. I am not in the Bible, nor is Zambia, do we not exist?
I am sure that there were plenty of scholars on the subject of purgatory through most of the history of the Catholic Church who believed it existed. Your declaration that they were not scholars does not make it so.
Heck, EVERYbidy knows THAT! 😉