Originally posted by @dj2becker
Which is?

Guff.

Originally posted by @wolfgang59
Aw. Those poor followers of Jesus prior to the 3rd Century. No bible.
And even when there was a bible most people could not read it.
And even now there are multiple versions of the bible.

So what does your statement really mean?

This idea that bible is “holy” is oddly misplaced and actually a form of idolatry.

I suspect that SecondSon, like many of the American Christians in here, has been brought up in a closed shop religious environment where people learn that what they are being taught is all they need to to know.

Originally posted by @divegeester
Guff.

Take a good long look in the mirror old chap.

Originally posted by @dj2becker
Take a good long look in the mirror old chap.

In comedy timing is everything.

Originally posted by @secondson

What argument can an atheist make proving the non-existence of a creator God "either with or without" knowledge?

What argument can anyone make proving the non-existence
of anything which has no evidence to support its existence?
There is none.
There is no proof for the non-existence of your god.
Or Odin or Zeus or Osiris.
Or the Tooth Fairy or Santa Claus.
Or the FSM of Russell's Teapot.

All your arguments for god apply to those things above.
Logically you should believe in them all equally.

Originally posted by @wolfgang59
What argument can anyone make proving the non-existence
of anything which has no evidence to support its existence?
There is none.
There is no proof for the non-existence of your god.
Or Odin or Zeus or Osiris.
Or the Tooth Fairy or Santa Claus.
Or the FSM of Russell's Teapot.

All your arguments for god apply to those things above.
Logically you should believe in them all equally.

The best we can do sir is provide evidence and argument that the 'idea of God,' as an all-powerful and perfectly loving deity, is non-existent.

This can easily be done by observing the evidence around us (say, an innocent child suffering from a terminal disease) that are not compatible with the existence of a deity who is both omnipotent and omnibenevolent.

Originally posted by @divegeester
In comedy timing is everything.

In comedy the comedian is the one being laughed at.

Originally posted by @dj2becker
In comedy the comedian is the one being laughed at.

When it's a clown, like you, yes.

Originally posted by @divegeester
When it's a clown, like you, yes.

Hopefully you don't suffer from coulrophobia.

Originally posted by @dj2becker
Hopefully you don't suffer from coulrophobia.

Obviously not - he is debating you.

Originally posted by @wolfgang59
Obviously not - he is debating you.

It seems he is gradually starting to overcome his fear.

Originally posted by @wolfgang59
There is no proof for the non-existence of your god.

Then how do you know there is no God?

Originally posted by @wolfgang59
What argument can anyone make proving the non-existence
of anything which has no evidence to support its existence?
There is none.
There is no proof for the non-existence of your god.
Or Odin or Zeus or Osiris.
Or the Tooth Fairy or Santa Claus.
Or the FSM of Russell's Teapot.

All your arguments for god apply to those things above.
Logically you should believe in them all equally.

I agree cannot prove a negative.
That said, when the alternative for God is a negative it balances out.

Originally posted by @ghost-of-a-duke
The best we can do sir is provide evidence and argument that the 'idea of God,' as an all-powerful and perfectly loving deity, is non-existent.

This can easily be done by observing the evidence around us (say, an innocent child suffering from a terminal disease) that are not compatible with the existence of a deity who is both omnipotent and omnibenevolent.

Exactly why do you think the evidence is non-existent? The entire universe is evidence in
my opinion. If you disagree where did everything come from? Do you agree that nothing
can only produce nothing? Can we agree that there isn't anything that wasn't there
before that spontaneously created itself either? I’m of the opinion that the universe did
not create itself, therefore something outside of the universe itself had to. You have
some other idea that can answer where everything came from? If not, then I think you
are ignoring a very large piece of evidence for God.

Now if God did create everything, think what type of power He has, wouldn’t it register on
the All-powerful scale compared to everything and everyone else? Think about how
smart He would have to be to set in motion all the power, and forces within the universe
so that it behaves in such predictable manners from the minute to the massive?

His abilities would dwarf us so badly we would be nothing compared to Him in all
measures. I’m fond of the term Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, unlike us
He wouldn’t be bound to time, so He would always be, in the past, present, and future.
Completely unlike us who are bound to the sliver of time we call now, which is so small
the leading edge occupies the same space as its trailing edge. In him we would be less
than a molecule wondering about the universe we find ourselves in.

Unlike us, He is timeless, everywhere at once, all knowing, so that the smallest particle
to the largest body within the universe, they would always enjoy God’s total attention! He
would know how all things relate to all things. He would know us in every way as well, we
would be for Him as the rest of His creation, the center of His attention all the time. I
believe that God is all of this and more, and wonder, what is He doing now? He created
the universe in six days according to scripture, Jesus said He is preparing a place for us
now. An amazing thought what He did in six days, compared to what He is making now
for thousands of years, it has to be beyond our wildest dreams on what is yet to come.

Originally posted by @kellyjay
Exactly why do you think the evidence is non-existent? The entire universe is evidence in
my opinion.

Is "the entire universe [...] evidence" proving any and all religions with a creator god to be true? Or is "the entire universe [...] evidence" that only your religion is true?