What Does One Need to Know...

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Will you stand with me, Bronwen?

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You’re back to your boozy belligerence. Give it a rest, tiger.

Originally posted by @fmf
Does "the universe" constitute evidence that supports the claims that other religions make about there being a creator?

Let the other religions speak for themselves, I will defend my beliefs, they can defend theirs.

Originally posted by @wolfgang59
But rocks can be, and are, dated to see how old they are.
They are all different ages.

Why would scientists bother dating rocks if they thought your "logic" was sufficient?
Nobody (at least nobody sensible) says rocks must be billions of years old because the Earth is.

Who is going to prove the dates we apply wrong no matter the dates applied to them?
What we do know and agree with I believe is that we don't see any rocks that are dated
as eternal in any of our tests.

So going back to my argument from earlier there are two things I also believe true.
1st you only get nothing from nothing since there isn't anything to change.
2nd there isn't anything that wasn't here before that just created itself by itself.

This leaves that the universe has to have been made by something outside of itself.
The dates can be argued having it here in my opinion shows evidence for God.

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Bedtime, pal.

Time to put your noggin on the pillow and saw some logs. You had a long night at the pub.

I put some aspirin on your nightstand for when you wake up and your head feels like a throbbing cotton ball and your tongue like a Persian rug.

Originally posted by @kellyjay
Let the other religions speak for themselves, I will defend my beliefs, they can defend theirs.

Don't be obtuse. Does "the universe" constitute evidence that supports the claims that other religions make about there being a creator ~ whether you believe that "evidence" or not?

Originally posted by @fmf
Don't be obtuse. Does "the universe" constitute evidence that supports the claims that other religions make about there being a creator ~ whether you believe that "evidence" or not?

You want to make the argument for other's beliefs do so, I'm not going to.

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Our opinions state what we think and why, we look around us and see things that matter
to us. We can state we believe this due to that, it is unescapable since we are going to
be trusting somethings true or not. We don’t trust everything that we are presented with
as factual, or that it proves what others suggest. We must make up our minds to either
reject something as meaningful or accept it, but it is always going to be based upon our
opinions.

Originally posted by @kellyjay
You want to make the argument for other's beliefs do so, I'm not going to.

Do you believe that 'creation' is only "evidence" for Christian belief in a creator?

Originally posted by @fmf
Do you believe that 'creation' is only "evidence" for Christian belief in a creator?

Creation is an act not evidence, the universe is the evidence which I believe points to
creation, and since I'm a Christian I think it is plain that I believe the God of Abraham, Isaac,
and Jacob did it.

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Correct, our opinions look at what is around us and we either accept or reject this means
that, or it proves this, or it means something else, and disproves that. Which is why I
stated the two reasons I believe the universe is evidence for God, again only nothing
comes from nothing that is all that will ever happen there, and there isn't anything that
can create itself out of nothing.