What is the point of God today?

@moonbus said
I hardly expect literalist Christians to understand it, but I thought it needed saying, just to give some counter-balance to their contention that without God, life is meaningless.

We can have meaning in the here and now; it just stays here and doesn't go forward. If all you have is this place, your hopes die with you.

@moonbus said
Seen it, read the abstract, did some research into Panin, and replied on page 8.

You are so concise.

@fmf said
"Hope" for what?

Eternal life.

Shocking, isn't it? That such a thing should be. Can't find that concept anywhere else but the Bible.

The hope of eternal life! Now who would have ever thought of that?!

@josephw said
Practice what you preach.

I do. I have never once referred to people as filthy sinners and other such derogatory expressions as church Christians do.

@josephw said
Eternal life.

Shocking, isn't it? That such a thing should be. Can't find that concept anywhere else but the Bible.

The hope of eternal life! Now who would have ever thought of that?!

The hope for eternal life is, for you, "the point of God"?

@rajk999 said
I do. I have never once referred to people as filthy sinners and other such derogatory expressions as church Christians do.

You have used much worse words to describe people. To say other words is not being honest.

@fmf said
The hope for eternal life is, for you, "the point of God"?

@FMF

@kellyjay said

Can you tell me where other views carry any meaning or hope whatsoever?

FMF's reply, "Hope" for what?

To which I replied, Eternal life.

Then FMF said, "The hope for eternal life is, for you, "the point of God"?"

You lost the thread FMF.

@kellyjay said
You have used much worse words to describe people. To say other words is not being honest.

Have you noticed how convivial Rajk is when replying to posts by those that deny the truth of the resurrection of Jesus Christ?

Yet his replies to Christians contain all manner of contempt and disdain with accusations that amount to sheer condemnation.

@josephw said
You lost the thread FMF.

I don't think I have lost the thread.

Not everyone has a hope for eternal life.

For those that worship God figures in the hope of gaining eternal life, that must then be "the point of God".

Far from being a case of having "lost the thread", it's exactly what the thread is about.

@rajk999 said
I do. I have never once referred to people as filthy sinners and other such derogatory expressions as church Christians do.

I think it's the voices in your head talking about "filthy sinners".

I've never once heard any Christian say that to anyone in this forum, but there you are again accusing "church Christians", which you call the Christians posting here, of saying something I never hear Christians say with regards to unbelievers. Ever!

You surely must be lying.

@josephw said
Yet his replies to Christians contain all manner of contempt and disdain with accusations that amount to sheer condemnation.

Your replies to followers of Christ such as Rajk999 and divegeester contain all manner of contempt and disdain and condemnation, too.

@fmf said
I don't think I have lost the thread.

Not everyone has a hope for eternal life.

For those that worship God figures in the hope of gaining eternal life, that must then be "the point of God".

Far from being a case of having "lost the thread", it's exactly what the thread is about.

One doesn't "gain" eternal life.

Eternal life is received as a gift.

You obviously must have missed that catechism class the day they taught that truth.

@josephw said
One doesn't "gain" eternal life.

It is supposedly given in return for faith. Having faith is how one gains it.

@fmf said
I don't think I have lost the thread.

Not everyone has a hope for eternal life.

For those that worship God figures in the hope of gaining eternal life, that must then be "the point of God".

Far from being a case of having "lost the thread", it's exactly what the thread is about.

<<For those that worship God figures in the hope of gaining eternal life, that must then be "the point of God">>

The “point of God,” as I see it, is three-fold:

• Salvation

• Help in the here and now

• Peace that passes all understanding.

You make the same mistake rajk999 makes - you don’t think God has anything to do with a believer until after the believer dies.

The Holy Bible is clear that is *not* the case.

@pb1022 said
You make the same mistake rajk999 makes - you don’t think God has anything to do with a believer until after the believer dies.

You are mistaken. I have said clearly over and over again, including several times directly to you, that belief in God is highly significant and influential in the lives of believers while they are alive.