@fmf saidThen why did you say this on this very page:
You are mistaken. I have said clearly over and over again, including several times directly to you, that belief in God is highly significant and influential in the lives of believers while they are alive.
<<Not everyone has a hope for eternal life.
For those that worship God figures in the hope of gaining eternal life, that must then be "the point of God".>>
@pb1022 saidYes, and on earlier pages, I talked about how the personal and private solace and aspiration that faith in God provides are important. And I also talked about how the "point of God" is uniting people, structuring their communities, helping people to develop trust and cooperation and to give moral compasses a basis.
Then why did you say this on this very page:
@fmf saidOk, I didn’t read this entire thread.
Yes, and on earlier pages, I talked about how the personal and private solace and aspiration that faith in God provides are important. And I also talked about how the "point of God" is uniting people, structuring their communities, helping people to develop trust and cooperation and to give moral compasses a basis.
@josephw saidThere is no part of the Gospel Message of Jesus Christ, that states anyone mutt believe in His resurrection.
Have you noticed how convivial Rajk is when replying to posts by those that deny the truth of the resurrection of Jesus Christ?
@pb1022 saidI tried a thought experiment a year or two back and, it turned out that no one here thought belief in God would have any traction without the promise of eternal life.
Then why did you say this on this very page:
<<For those that worship God figures in the hope of gaining eternal life, that must then be "the point of God".>>
No Christian talked about help in the here and now if it was uncoupled from the promise of eternal life.
And no Christian talked about peace that passes all understanding if it was uncoupled from the promise of eternal life.
@kellyjay saidI use the same words Jesus used
You have used much worse words to describe people. To say other words is not being honest.
- hypoctires
- fools
- Satan
- blind.
Maybe in your culture using those words is much worse. Jesus never said that all people are filthy sinners, a statement routinely made by church Christians here
@rajk999 said“Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:
There is no part of the Gospel Message of Jesus Christ, that states anyone mutt believe in His resurrection.
And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?”
(John 11:25-26)
@fmf saidThat’s understandable because everyone knows they could die at any moment.
I tried a thought experiment a year or two back and, it turned out that no one here thought belief in God would have any traction without the promise of eternal life.
No Christian talked about help in the here and now if it was uncoupled from the promise of eternal life.
And no Christian talked about peace that passes all understanding if it was uncoupled from the promise of eternal life.
Asking God to help you repair your marriage when you know you could drop dead of a heart attack an hour later seems kind of pointless.
@rajk999 saidAnd Jesus Christ said those words against the Pharisees - people obsessed with law keeping and placing heavy burdens on people.
I use the same words Jesus used
- hypoctires
- fools
- Satan
- blind.
Maybe in your culture using those words is much worse. Jesus never said that all people are filthy sinners, a statement routinely made by church Christians here
Who in here does that sound like?
@pb1022 saidNonsense. Of course you were referring to your own perspective. You said it seems kind of pointless to want help from God with repairing your marriage without the promise of eternal life. As I say, I think you have revealed more than you intended to about your mentality and your life.
I wasn’t referring to myself. That was simply an example of how God might help someone and a very common sudden way that people die.
@rajk999 saidYou have said far worse.
I use the same words Jesus used
- hypoctires
- fools
- Satan
- blind.
Maybe in your culture using those words is much worse. Jesus never said that all people are filthy sinners, a statement routinely made by church Christians here